Were the jury taken to a shooting range? Was loading demonstrated to the jury?

[Steve_uk]

How many cases in the UK involve killing by firearm within a farmhouse?  When such an incident occurs it produces a mountain of hard data eg blood stains, spent cartridges, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  This hard data is capable of locating the positions of the perp and victim.

In the case of Tony Martin it was used.  The data supported the prosecution case in that TM used unreasonable force. 

In the case of Jeremy Bamber it was not used.  Had it been used it would have supported the defence case and shown that NB came up the stairs and was shot on the landing when the perp was already in the bedroom having shot June a number of times.  This in turn supports JB's claim of a telephone call ie NB made the call in the kitchen, heard the gunshots upstairs, dropped the phone on the kitchen top and run upstairs where he sustained his facial gunshot wounds on the landing.

You evidently don't live alone in a rural area, are getting on in years and have faced intruders entering your house in darkness. Nobody knows what they would do in such a situation until confronted with the actual event.

In my opinion anyone who smashes a window to gain entry to your property with malice aforethought has forfeited their legal rights. I support the late Tony Martin and suspect politics as well as jury prejudice led to his conviction.  https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11427.0.html

[Adam]

The logical train of thoughts for anyone planning a silent killing would be - silent killing = use silencer (if available).

Not credible to say Bamber would not use a silencer. Four people were in 2 rooms!

[Adam]

Bamber was certainly confident in his ability with the rifle.

He went out to shoot rabbits without sights and silencer!

[Curiosity]

You evidently don't live alone in a rural area, are getting on in years and have faced intruders entering your house in darkness. Nobody knows what they would do in such a situation until confronted with the actual event.

In my opinion anyone who smashes a window to gain entry to your property with malice aforethought has forfeited their legal rights. I support the late Tony Martin and suspect politics as well as jury prejudice led to his conviction.  https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11427.0.html

Been there and suffered it, but was asleep at the time. Only discovered on awakening that an expensive Canon EOS camera, flashgun, various lenses and tripod had disappeared and a small ground floor window had been forced.  Next time if there is one they'll feel the hard bulbous end of my baseball bat, kept close at hand. Once burgled, you never feel secure again, even with an alarm set and vulnerable windows locked.

[Cambridgecutie]

No it does not!  The found position of cartridge cases tells an entirely different story.

Yours sincerely,

Stan (unfortunately underrated and undecorated).

The totality of the evidence paints a thousand words!  And those words tell us NB came upstairs, having called JB, and was shot on the landing by the perp who was in the bedroom and shooting out onto the landing. 

[Cambridgecutie]

You evidently don't live alone in a rural area, are getting on in years and have faced intruders entering your house in darkness. Nobody knows what they would do in such a situation until confronted with the actual event.

In my opinion anyone who smashes a window to gain entry to your property with malice aforethought has forfeited their legal rights. I support the late Tony Martin and suspect politics as well as jury prejudice led to his conviction.  https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11427.0.html

I obviously didn't make myself clear!  I wasn't attempting to argue the rights/wrongs of either case just pointing out that in cases involving a firearm/gunshot a mountain of hard data is produced and this data needs to be closely examined as it is capable of painting a thousand words!  In the case of TM the data was examined and used.  In the case of JB it wasn't. 

[Adam]

Just saw a doc on the Tracy Andrews case.

She hid the murder weapon/knife in her shoe.

She managed to dispose of the knife later, probably in hospital. But kept the shoes.

Later investigations found blood in the shoe inprinted in the shape of a knife.

The police were struggling without a murder weapon but now had a narrative.

Similar to the silencer, the shoes should have been cleaned or disposed.

In hindsight a mistake but these people are not criminal masterminds.

[ILB]

Jeremy thought he was going to walk back in 86. He was confident.

[ILB]

Just saw a doc on the Tracy Andrews case.

She hid the murder weapon/knife in her shoe.

She managed to dispose of the knife later, probably in hospital. But kept the shoes.

Later investigations found blood in the shoe inprinted in the shape of a knife.

The police were struggling without a murder weapon but now had a narrative.

Similar to the silencer, the shoes should have been cleaned or disposed.

In hindsight a mistake but these people are not criminal masterminds.

Watched a documentary on this before.

A volatile relationship perhaps on both sides which ended tragically.