Significance of the Aga burns theory

[Jane]

A big struggle would have resulted in Jeremy getting injured.

Was it hand to hand struggling when one of them was holding a gun?

[ILB]

Was it hand to hand struggling when one of them was holding a gun?

Nevill was a big unit.

[Jane]

Nevill was a big unit.

I imagine -never having been in hand to hand combat- that if a gun was involved a strong opponent might grab the barrel and push it upwards/away? I can't see how they'd reach their adversaries body, though.

[ILB]

I imagine -never having been in hand to hand combat- that if a gun was involved a strong opponent might grab the barrel and push it upwards/away? I can't see how they'd reach their adversaries body, though.

The four shots delivered gave Jeremy the advantage.

Had circumstances been different and they had ended up confronting each other on a even keel high chance Nevill would have easily subdued him and overpowered him.

That would be a good one at the Christmas dinner table.

[ILB]

Do you think the smashed ceiling lightshade was while they wrestled for the rifle or while Nevill was receiving his blows?

Possibly wrestling.

The brutal attack may not have been needed as much as it did. Pure blooded anger. Jeremy inflicting the overkill in pure blind rage.

Remember taking the monetary aspect of the motive out of the equation its alleged Jeremy had a lot of anger to his family.  Nevill was not just dad, he was his boss and employer. He had to do what Nevill said in everyday life. He was also closest to him out of all family members.

I believe he privately regretted the overkill down the line. It's an aspect of the case that scuppered the " shelia did it "

[Roch]

Possibly wrestling.

The brutal attack may not have been needed as much as it did. Pure blooded anger. Jeremy inflicting the overkill in pure blind rage.

Remember taking the monetary aspect of the motive out of the equation its alleged Jeremy had a lot of anger to his family.  Nevill was not just dad, he was his boss and employer. He had to do what Nevill said in everyday life. He was also closest to him out of all family members.

I believe he privately regretted the overkill down the line. It's an aspect of the case that scuppered the " shelia did it "

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[Jane]

Possibly wrestling.

The brutal attack may not have been needed as much as it did. Pure blooded anger. Jeremy inflicting the overkill in pure blind rage.

Remember taking the monetary aspect of the motive out of the equation its alleged Jeremy had a lot of anger to his family.  Nevill was not just dad, he was his boss and employer. He had to do what Nevill said in everyday life. He was also closest to him out of all family members.

I believe he privately regretted the overkill down the line. It's an aspect of the case that scuppered the " shelia did it "

I have to agree with that. It would have been no trouble for him to have finished the job with one strategically placed, controlled shot, but I suspect there was a lot of unfinished business, that he had no control of, which kicked in, unexpectedly, and violently.

[ILB]

I have to agree with that. It would have been no trouble for him to have finished the job with one strategically placed, controlled shot, but I suspect there was a lot of unfinished business, that he had no control of, which kicked in, unexpectedly, and violently.

He could have spared the children.

They were not an immediate danger for the wills. They would have gone to Colin. By the time they were 18 and  tried to stake a claim Jeremy may have blown all the money anyway.

[Adam]

I have to agree with that. It would have been no trouble for him to have finished the job with one strategically placed, controlled shot, but I suspect there was a lot of unfinished business, that he had no control of, which kicked in, unexpectedly, and violently.

He had run out of bullets by the time he arrived in the kitchen.

So it had to be attack by rifle blows.

The overkill was due to being hyped up. And that although injured, Nevill was a threat.

[ILB]

The overkill was due to being hyped up. And that although injured, Nevill was a threat.

He must have at some stage though said to himself

" fucking hell I really went to town on dad here, there's no way they will buy that Shelia did this"

[ILB]

I agree entirely. Until the Bamber supporters come up with a proper explanation for the sound moderator, he will stay in jail. They never will be able to, so he will die in jail.

"There's a ground that I personally believe could be strong but not a standalone point." What is this ground?

The window issue has always interested me. However as CC pointed out recently it seems the judge dismissed it at trial.

I'm 57 on Saturday and ive never in my entire life heard of a window you can " bang shut from the outside" whether it be pegs or a turn handle mechanism. ( with the interior pegs or handle on the inside)

I'd actually wish I could have been there when EP did the demonstration pre trial. It amazes me.

[ILB]

However on a standalone ground its not enough to smash the verdict for him.

[Adam]

The window issue has always interested me. However as CC pointed out recently it seems the judge dismissed it at trial.

I'm 57 on Saturday and ive never in my entire life heard of a window you can " bang shut from the outside" whether it be pegs or a turn handle mechanism. ( with the interior pegs or handle on the inside)

I'd actually wish I could have been there when EP did the demonstration pre trial. It amazes me.

I had never seen such a window either. Although had never checked 

Bamber went searching for one in a big house. No surprise he found a window he could manipulate.

As with the 'last number dialled' portable phone, Julie's WS says he told her about the window.

[ILB]

Bamber went searching for one in a big house. No surprise he found a window he could manipulate.

In fairness it was old farmhouse it may not have been a case of him having manipulated the window. It may have simply been there for a long time in that way. Since he was a child etc.

He may have got in and out of the window on many occasions in life.

[ILB]

Not so long back did a little experiment on the old pantry window in the kitchen with the handle. I tried to bang it from the outside but to no avail. Obviously this is not akin to the window in WHF in 1985.

In none of the books does it report Rivlin being horrified to find out that the window was accessible. It seems to not have been a bone of contention to the defence back in 86.