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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #165 on: April 14, 2025, 11:18:PM »
Why not? 

As I said the expert evidence at trial was that the line was left open at WHF therefore JB would need to replace his handset until he could call out and make a successful call eg EP and JM.  But what would happen if he dialled WHF?

Didn't Bamber say 'the line went dead'?

So Nevill put his hand on the receiver.

Usually people put the phone back on the hook.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #166 on: April 14, 2025, 11:20:PM »
Why do you think neither Sheila or Nevill had put on foot ware or dressing gowns?


NB does appear to be wearing some kind of overcoat over his PJ, not a matching set. ( graphic image)
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #167 on: April 14, 2025, 11:23:PM »
Didn't Bamber say 'the line went dead'?

So Nevill put his hand on the receiver.

Usually people put the phone back on the hook.

Have mentioned this earlier, you have to answer this cutie it can only be one or the other.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #168 on: April 14, 2025, 11:23:PM »
NB does appear to be wearing some kind of overcoat over his PJ, not a matching set. ( graphic image)

He was bare footed in his pyjamas.

Do you agree Bamber & Sheila having no injuries shows she put up no resistance to him?
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #169 on: April 14, 2025, 11:25:PM »
41.

Nevill Bamber, who was wearing his pyjamas had been shot eight times. There were two wounds to the right side and two to the top of the head...
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #170 on: April 14, 2025, 11:26:PM »
He was bare footed in his pyjamas.

Do you agree Bamber & Sheila having no injuries shows she put up no resistance to him?

I would have expected shelia to fight Bamber.

Her ex husband testifying at trial in 1986 " she had a hot Latin temper"

This was someone trying to kill her.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #171 on: April 14, 2025, 11:28:PM »
He was bare footed in his pyjamas.

Do you agree Bamber & Sheila having no injuries shows she put up no resistance to him?

I would have expected shelia to struggle.

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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #172 on: April 14, 2025, 11:30:PM »
I would have expected shelia to fight Bamber.

Her ex husband testifying at trial in 1986 " she had a hot Latin temper"

This was someone trying to kill her.

He also said she had no hand to eye co ordination & couldn't engage with her 6 year olds.

No chance V Bamber. As the evidence shows.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #173 on: April 14, 2025, 11:31:PM »
He also said she had no hand to eye co ordination & couldn't engage with her 6 year olds.

No chance V Bamber.

I towered Bamber, he's not some brickshithouse wall, probs 5 11 tops,not a big guy
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #174 on: April 14, 2025, 11:33:PM »
I towered Bamber, he's not some brickshithouse wall, probs 5 11 tops,not a big guy

Sheila was ready.

It was 'now or never'.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #175 on: April 14, 2025, 11:36:PM »
I towered Bamber, he's not some brickshithouse wall, probs 5 11 tops,not a big guy

Try telling that to Nevill's head, face, body watch & rifle butt.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #176 on: April 14, 2025, 11:36:PM »
Bamber and Shelia in their adult years were not close.

The mantra that Bamber coaxed her out of bed and she was like a wilting violet is farfetched.

Upon seeing him at that time she would probably get into a state.

Days previous she felt uneasy when he drove her home from a party.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #177 on: April 14, 2025, 11:38:PM »
Try telling that to Nevill's head, face, body watch & rifle butt.

Nevill was heavier and taller than Bamber.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #178 on: April 14, 2025, 11:40:PM »
Bamber and Shelia in their adult years were not close.

The mantra that Bamber coaxed her out of bed and she was like a wilting violet is farfetched.

Upon seeing him at that time she would probably get into a state.

Days previous she felt uneasy when he drove her home from a party.

Not close. So why did Nevill call his AM?

Suspect he attempted persuasion. Using force if needed. It was only a few yards he had to move her.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #179 on: April 14, 2025, 11:40:PM »
Have mentioned this earlier, you have to answer this cutie it can only be one or the other.

The line was open.  If it wasn't how do you think the GPO op was able to listen in and then link EP to the open line?

Find some expert evidence about what would happen if JB terminated the call his end and then called WHF.  Why would he not get the engaged tone?
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