The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford

[ILB]

Urgent or not. People always put a phone on the hook.

The diary & phone are obvious stages.

Agree the phone where it was left is not a natural place.

I would expected him to slam it on the receiver.

Just my opinion

[Adam]

The line was def open hence the GPO op was able to listen in. 

The expert evidence at trial said the handset at Bourtree would need to remain in situ for between 1 min and 2 mins until JB was able to call out as a result of the call from WHF and that line remaining open:

68. There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days. There was, however, expert evidence called as to the effect of a telephone call having been made from White House Farm to Goldhanger which was then abandoned by the caller with the receiver being left off the cradle, as claimed by the appellant. If such a sequence had occurred, the telephone link would have remained open either until the handset at White House Farm was replaced or until the handset at Goldhanger had been replaced and left in position for a period which could vary from 1 to 2 minutes, when an automatic interruption of the link would take place. Until one or other of these events, the appellant would have been unable to make any call from the Goldhanger telephone.

This means Bamber did not 'immediately try to call back'.

Or 'the line went dead'.

[ILB]

Can't we?  What's your evidence for this?

Common sense.

It was either an open line or engaged.

[Adam]

I believe he thought the same as what you did.

That Ivan Drago Nevill would take the rifle and everything would be fine.

He did comment that " my dad seemed really frightened "

Which is the reason he phoned police.

Who knows.

Yes Nevill instantly reclaiming his rifle while fully fit is better than 5 dead people. One a 6.4 man with 40+ horrific beating injuries.

[ILB]

Yes Nevill instantly reclaiming his rifle while fully fit is better than 5 dead people. One a 6.4 man with 40+ horrific beating injuries.

Shelia may have been Rocky to Nevills drago that night.

[Adam]

Shelia may have been Rocky to Nevills drago that night.

She could barely walk or talk. As already stated.

Neither Bamber or Sheila had injuries as she put up no resistance to him.

[ILB]

Yes Nevill instantly reclaiming his rifle while fully fit is better than 5 dead people. One a 6.4 man with 40+ horrific beating injuries.

Whats this "fully fit " thing you purport all the time?

I'm 6 foot 4 myself and 56 years old, if a 9 stone guy came in my house shooting me right now I'd be as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

[Cambridgecutie]

This means Bamber did not 'immediately try to call back'.

Or 'the line went dead'.

We know for sure the line was open. 

No the expert evidence states the JB would need to replace his handset for 1 to 2 mins until he could call out eg EP and JM.  What would happen if he attempted to terminate NB's call and then redialled?  What sound would he receive?

[Cambridgecutie]

Agree the phone where it was left is not a natural place.

I would expected him to slam it on the receiver.

Just my opinion

Well he didn't slam it on the receiver as per all the evidence. 

[ILB]

We know for sure the line was open. 

No the expert evidence states the JB would need to replace his handset for 1 to 2 mins until he could call out eg EP and JM.  What would happen if he attempted to terminate NB's call and then redialled?  What sound would he receive?

Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep.

[Adam]

Whats this "fully fit " thing you purport all the time?

I'm 6 foot 4 myself and 56 years old, if a 9 stone guy came in my house shooting me right now I'd be as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

Sheila was not a 9 stone guy.

She was bare footed, in a nightie, holding a rifle she did not know how to use, operating at 20%.

[Adam]

We know for sure the line was open. 

No the expert evidence states the JB would need to replace his handset for 1 to 2 mins until he could call out eg EP and JM.  What would happen if he attempted to terminate NB's call and then redialled?  What sound would he receive?

1-2 minutes.

So did not 'immediately try to call back'.

[Adam]

Well he didn't slam it on the receiver as per all the evidence.

Why do you think neither Sheila or Nevill had put on foot ware or dressing gowns?

It was a big house.

Anyone would think they had to abruptly get out of bed.

[Cambridgecutie]

1-2 minutes.

So did not 'immediately try to call back'.

Why not? 

As I said the expert evidence at trial was that the line was left open at WHF therefore JB would need to replace his handset until he could call out and make a successful call eg EP and JM.  But what would happen if he dialled WHF?

[ILB]

Sheila was not a 9 stone guy.

She was bare footed, in a nightie, holding a rifle she did not know how to use, operating at 20%.

Stop talking this bollocks about percentages of human beings and be realistic, she was on halpierdol.

The rifle is not complicated to operate.