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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #180 on: April 14, 2025, 11:41:PM »
Nevill was heavier and taller than Bamber.

Sadly shot 4 times in/by his bed.

Being bare footed in the kitchen didn't help.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #181 on: April 14, 2025, 11:43:PM »
Not close. So why did Nevill call his AM?

I once didn't talk to my sister for six months after a family row.

Nevill called Bamber because he was his son. And shelia was his daughter.

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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #182 on: April 14, 2025, 11:44:PM »
I once didn't talk to my sister for six months after a family row.

Nevill called Bamber because he was his son. And shelia was his daughter.

That went well.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #183 on: April 14, 2025, 11:47:PM »
The line was open.  If it wasn't how do you think the GPO op was able to listen in and then link EP to the open line?

Find some expert evidence about what would happen if JB terminated the call his end and then called WHF.  Why would he not get the engaged tone?

JB said " then the phone went dead "

Which clearly means he is insinuating that it went dead from WHF.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #184 on: April 14, 2025, 11:51:PM »
That went well.

" all those years ago when I picked up the phone I never believed it would lead and end up like this " Jeremy Bamber Full Sutton prison 2005.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #185 on: April 15, 2025, 07:02:AM »
The line was def open hence the GPO op was able to listen in. 

The expert evidence at trial said the handset at Bourtree would need to remain in situ for between 1 min and 2 mins until JB was able to call out as a result of the call from WHF and that line remaining open:

68. There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days. There was, however, expert evidence called as to the effect of a telephone call having been made from White House Farm to Goldhanger which was then abandoned by the caller with the receiver being left off the cradle, as claimed by the appellant. If such a sequence had occurred, the telephone link would have remained open either until the handset at White House Farm was replaced or until the handset at Goldhanger had been replaced and left in position for a period which could vary from 1 to 2 minutes, when an automatic interruption of the link would take place. Until one or other of these events, the appellant would have been unable to make any call from the Goldhanger telephone.
The line was open because it was left off the hook, doesn’t mean it was connected anywhere, Bamber clearly  states he  tried to ring back 20/30 seconds later he has a memory dial which he normally uses when he tries to ring a number that’s engaged.  He would not have been able to make a call unless he cleared his own line first and if he didn’t clear his line each time he picked the phone up he would still be connected and then that would take another two minutes to clear again.

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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #186 on: April 15, 2025, 07:11:AM »
JB said " then the phone went dead "

Which clearly means he is insinuating that it went dead from WHF.

JB said...Oh must be 100% correct then  ;D

He was a farmer not a GPO op.  The GPO op, Jean Rowe, said the line was open hence she was a) able to listen in and hear Crispy barking and b) connect EP to the open line much later (which the CT believe was a 999 call made from within WHF  ;D)

68. There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days. There was, however, expert evidence called as to the effect of a telephone call having been made from White House Farm to Goldhanger which was then abandoned by the caller with the receiver being left off the cradle, as claimed by the appellant. If such a sequence had occurred, the telephone link would have remained open either until the handset at White House Farm was replaced or until the handset at Goldhanger had been replaced and left in position for a period which could vary from 1 to 2 minutes, when an automatic interruption of the link would take place. Until one or other of these events, the appellant would have been unable to make any call from the Goldhanger telephone.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #187 on: April 15, 2025, 07:24:AM »
The line was open because it was left off the hook, doesn’t mean it was connected anywhere, Bamber clearly  states he  tried to ring back 20/30 seconds later he has a memory dial which he normally uses when he tries to ring a number that’s engaged.  He would not have been able to make a call unless he cleared his own line first and if he didn’t clear his line each time he picked the phone up he would still be connected and then that would take another two minutes to clear again.

You don't know whether the line was open because it was off the hook or because NB made a call to JB and abondoned it.  The soc evidence supports the latter because it can be evidenced that the totality of the physical evidence documented and photographed by way of blood stains to flooring/lack of, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks show that the perp was in the main bedroom shooting June with NB then arriving on the little staircase just before the entrance to the main bedroom where he sustained his facial wounds.

The expert evidence from trial:

68. There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days. There was, however, expert evidence called as to the effect of a telephone call having been made from White House Farm to Goldhanger which was then abandoned by the caller with the receiver being left off the cradle, as claimed by the appellant. If such a sequence had occurred, the telephone link would have remained open either until the handset at White House Farm was replaced or until the handset at Goldhanger had been replaced and left in position for a period which could vary from 1 to 2 minutes, when an automatic interruption of the link would take place. Until one or other of these events, the appellant would have been unable to make any call from the Goldhanger telephone.

According to the above JB would need to leave the handset at GH on its caradle for at least 60 seconds until he was able to make a call eg JM, EP. 
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #188 on: April 15, 2025, 07:53:AM »
It's all over the place -

Nevill letting a 20% Sheila roam free with a loaded rifle.

Ringing a son who hated him & didn't get on with Sheila. At 3.00am.

A 24/7 AM device switched off.

Nevill waiting for Bamber to wake from sleeping 'like a log' & get downstairs. Then only saying 11 words.

Immediately ringing back' although was not able to.

Waking up 5 people to 'hear a friendly voice'.

Nevill saying 'please come over'. Then not going over.

Eventually deciding to ring the police although Nevill may have already rang them.

Eventually ringing the police although according to him Nevill did not like authorities involved.

Saying Nevill did not like authorities involved. Then decades later saying Nevill called a police station over 20 miles away. Instead of 999.

Looking through Yello Pages for the number of a police station over 20 miles away. Instead of dialling 999.

Asking to be picked up although lived a 7 minute drive away.

Driving slowly to arrive after the police.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #189 on: April 15, 2025, 08:08:AM »
It's all over the place -

Nevill letting Sheila go upstairs with a rifle.

Ringing a son who hated him & didn't get on with Sheila. At 3.00am.

A 24/7 AM device switched off.

Nevill waiting for Bamber to wake from sleeping 'like a log' & get downstairs. Then only saying 11 words.

Immediately ringing back' although was not able to.

Waking up 5 people to 'hear a friendly voice'.

Nevill saying 'please come over'. Then not going over.

Eventually deciding to ring the police although Nevill may have already rang them.

Eventually ringing the police although according to him Nevill did not like authorities involved.

Saying Nevill did not like authorities involved. Then decades later saying Nevill called a police station over 20 miles away. Instead of 999.

Looking through Yello Pages for the number of a police station over 20 miles away. Instead of dialling 999.

Its not all over the place at all.  The totality of the physical evidence at soc takes precedence and is very clear about what happened.  You know this. 
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #190 on: April 15, 2025, 08:10:AM »
Its not all over the place at all.  The totality of the physical evidence at soc takes precedence and is very clear about what happened.  You know this.

I have just posted 13 things that don't work.

You are not a soc expert.

You know this.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #191 on: April 15, 2025, 08:12:AM »
It's all over the place -

Nevill letting a 20% Sheila roam free with a loaded rifle.

Ringing a son who hated him & didn't get on with Sheila. At 3.00am.

A 24/7 AM device switched off.

Nevill waiting for Bamber to wake from sleeping 'like a log' & get downstairs. Then only saying 11 words.

Immediately ringing back' although was not able to.

Waking up 5 people to 'hear a friendly voice'.

Nevill saying 'please come over'. Then not going over.

Eventually deciding to ring the police although Nevill may have already rang them.

Eventually ringing the police although according to him Nevill did not like authorities involved.

Saying Nevill did not like authorities involved. Then decades later saying Nevill called a police station over 20 miles away. Instead of 999.

Looking through Yello Pages for the number of a police station over 20 miles away. Instead of dialling 999.

Asking to be picked up although lived a 7 minute drive away.

Driving slowly to arrive after the police.
Neville was knocked clean out by the AGA for hours and Hours before he phoned Jeremy according to snowy.  Cutie says Neville let Sheila go on a rampage while he phoned Jeremy to come over, and then walked into a ambush on the stairs, Sheila must have been like a sniper ready and waiting for his advance.,

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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #192 on: April 15, 2025, 08:17:AM »
Its not all over the place at all.  The totality of the physical evidence at soc takes precedence and is very clear about what happened.  You know this.
Do you think Sheila was poised ready and waiting for Neville’s advance on the stairs, when did she reload or had she got a full Mag ready for him, it’s nice to hear from a SOC expert, look forward to hearing your shot sequence as Neville approached.

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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #193 on: April 15, 2025, 08:18:AM »
Neville was knocked clean out by the AGA for hours and Hours before he phoned Jeremy according to snowy.  Cutie says Neville let Sheila go on a rampage while he phoned Jeremy to come over, and then walked into a ambush on the stairs, Sheila must have been like a sniper ready and waiting for his advance.,

Seems Nevill heard a quiet rifle upstairs. At the exact same moment Bamber answered the phone.

He then blindly went upstairs & allowed Sheila to shoot him twice in the face from inches away and twice in the torso.
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Re: The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford
« Reply #194 on: April 15, 2025, 08:23:AM »
I have just posted 13 things that don't work.

You are not a soc expert.

You know this.

Your 13 things are neither here nor there. 

Show me a soc reconstruction that trumps mine.  Impossible because there's only one narrative where all the parts documented and photographed at soc fit together.
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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