The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford

[ILB]

Why didn't Nevill put the phone down?

Surely Bamber didn't attempt an obvious stage.

Urgency.

[Cambridgecutie]

But JB said he tried to call back and got the engaged tone.

So it can't have been an open line.

If it wasn't an open line how do you think the GPO op was able to listen in?  Are you saying the wit stat from the GPO op was wrong?

[Adam]

NB had firearms lying around

NB had children on the premises

NB had a schizophrenic daughter on the premises.

NB was a clever astute man

NB knows that getting the authorities involved will result in.

Daniel and Nicholas been removed from any type of custody of Shelia

Nevill and June unlikely being able to see the children in any capacity for a long time.

The potential of Shelia getting into trouble.

The potential of awkward queries by police about firearms.

The embarrassment as word spreads around the community

The embarrassment of being a local JP and word getting about.

It's a private insular family, hence he phoned Bamber.

Only Bamber says Nevill did not want authories involved.

So why did Bamber look for the number of a police station over 20 miles away.

Then claim Nevill did call the police decades later.

[Cambridgecutie]

Agree the call was cut short. Ekeven words. You can sat that again.

Agree June was shot in bed.

You are not a SOC expert. The prosecution case is Nevill was shot in bed. The DPP, jury & appeal courts agree.

Based on what?  No one has ever put the pieces together. 

[Adam]

JB said " it sounded like someone had put their finger on the receiver button

That would result in a terminated call.

People always put the phone back on the hook.

[Adam]

I totally understand and resonate that NB would call JB rather than automatically ring the authorities for many reasons stated.

That went well.

[ILB]

Only Bamber says Nevill did not want authories involved.

So why did Bamber look for the number of a police station over 20 miles away.

Then claim Nevill did call the police decades later.

Point one, because of the reasons I gave.

Point two, because he didn't know how to go about it hence he rang his bird for support ( according to him)

Point 3, he's spent 30 odd years by then in a concrete box. He's frustrated angry and wants freedom by any means nessecary.

That simple

[Adam]

You keep making the mistake of seeing JB as a reliable witness. 

Do you think the GPO's op's ws is wrong?

Agree Bamber is totally unrelaible.

He was not convincing in court. The judge repeatedly having to tell him to speak up.

[ILB]

That went well.

Like many things in life. Things fuck up.

[Adam]

Point one, because of the reasons I gave.

Point two, because he didn't know how to go about it hence he rang his bird for support ( according to him)

Point 3, he's spent 30 odd years by then in a concrete box. He's frustrated angry and wants freedom by any means nessecary.

That simple

Ageee he will be frustrated.

Barry George & Sion Jenkins got out in 10 years.

He didn't have to think about how to go about things. Just do what Nevill said - ''please come over'.

[ILB]

If it wasn't an open line how do you think the GPO op was able to listen in?  Are you saying the wit stat from the GPO op was wrong?

I'm balancing it.

We can't have an open line and somebody saying they have a engaged tone.

So which is right?

You can't claim his memory is knackered of years of imprisonment in the sense, he was recalling it with PS Bews in the early hours of 7.8.85

[Adam]

Urgency.

Urgent or not. People always put a phone on the hook.

The diary & phone are obvious stages.

[Cambridgecutie]

I will let Zoso deal with that she’s the expert, isn’t there something along the lines after a while with the phone being off the hook the line clears?  Not sure though.  He specifically said the line went dead, if it was open he would still hears noises in the house especially gunshot fire,

The line was def open hence the GPO op was able to listen in. 

The expert evidence at trial said the handset at Bourtree would need to remain in situ for between 1 min and 2 mins until JB was able to call out as a result of the call from WHF and that line remaining open:

68. There was no evidence of telephone billing information of the sort which would be available these days. There was, however, expert evidence called as to the effect of a telephone call having been made from White House Farm to Goldhanger which was then abandoned by the caller with the receiver being left off the cradle, as claimed by the appellant. If such a sequence had occurred, the telephone link would have remained open either until the handset at White House Farm was replaced or until the handset at Goldhanger had been replaced and left in position for a period which could vary from 1 to 2 minutes, when an automatic interruption of the link would take place. Until one or other of these events, the appellant would have been unable to make any call from the Goldhanger telephone.

[ILB]

Ageee he will be frustrated.

Barry George & Sion Jenkins got out in 10 years.

He didn't have to think about how to go about things. Just do what Nevill said - ''please come over'.

I believe he thought the same as what you did.

That Ivan Drago Nevill would take the rifle and everything would be fine.

He did comment that " my dad seemed really frightened "

Which is the reason he phoned police.

Who knows.

[Cambridgecutie]

I'm balancing it.

We can't have an open line and somebody saying they have a engaged tone.

So which is right?

You can't claim his memory is knackered of years of imprisonment in the sense, he was recalling it with PS Bews in the early hours of 7.8.85

Can't we?  What's your evidence for this?