A Tale of two SM's

[BarefootDanC]

There's no evidence anyone's blood, including SC's, was ever inside the silencer.  A lab producing a set of test results that matched SC's blood groups is not evidence that her blood was inside the silencer.

It is not just "a set of test results", Glynis Howard of FSS testified that there a flake of blood which was tested.

[Cambridgecutie]

It is not just "a set of test results", Glynis Howard of FSS testified that there a flake of blood which was tested.

No she did not.  Glynis Howard forensically examined the contaminants on the OUTSIDE of the silencer on the 13th Aug. 

The INSIDE was not examined for over a month later on 14th Sep.  And exactly who was involved is unclear.

There's no evidence of any blood ever being present inside the silencer.

[BarefootDanC]

No she did not.  Glynis Howard forensically examined the contaminants on the OUTSIDE of the silencer on the 13th Aug. 

The INSIDE was not examined for over a month later on 14th Sep.  And exactly who was involved is unclear.

There's no evidence of any blood ever being present inside the silencer.

You say "there's no evidence of any blood ever being present inside the silencer"

[Cambridgecutie]

You say "there's no evidence of any blood ever being present inside the silencer"

The silencer was not opened up until the 14th Sept.  GH is referring to just inside the aperture.  Refer to her trial testimony.  The blood that GH examined on 13th Aug was so small in quantity it was incapable of being grouped.

The test results produced by the lab matching SC's blood groups did not come about until 14th Sep.  The results were produced to get the case to trial.  Without this it was going nowhere.  The director of the lab was subsequently charged with perverting the course of justice in connection with the Stefan Kizsko case. 

[Cambridgecutie]

You say "there's no evidence of any blood ever being present inside the silencer"

GH was not involved with the fake test results.  She examined the outside of the silencer only which included the aperture to a depth of around 1/8 to 1/4 of an inch. 

[ngb1066]

CC has studied this aspect of the case in great detail.  Her understanding of the science and the way this aspect of the evidence was handled is second to none.  I have quite a lot of knowledge of the case including  some of the scientific evidence, in particular because of my specific involvement in 2011/2012, but this particular aspect is one where I have to defer to CC.

[David1819]

You say "there's no evidence of any blood ever being present inside the silencer"

Relevant transcript below.


"
Q: Thank you. Now may I please ask you about the blood you found or saw inside the sound moderator?
A: Yes.
Q: You obviously had to remove it by some means didn't you?
A: Yes I did.
Q: Could you describe the means you used?
A: Yes, with the aid of a low-powered microscope and lenghts of sterile white cotton thread moistened with distilled water, I inserted with fine forceps the damp threads into the bore of the sound moderator. And soaked up the blood that was in there. I allowed the threads to dry before doing further tests.
Q: May I ask you how far into the sound moderator did you go with your threads? How far do you believe?
A: I took some blood which I could actually see. Just on that inner surface approximately 1/8 to 1/4 of an inch. I didn't measure it at the time.
"

[Steve_uk]

What is the conclusion you wish to make the reader draw from this?

[Zoso]

No she did not.  Glynis Howard forensically examined the contaminants on the OUTSIDE of the silencer on the 13th Aug. 

The INSIDE was not examined for over a month later on 14th Sep.  And exactly who was involved is unclear.

There's no evidence of any blood ever being present inside the silencer.

Hayward and Fletcher (your favourite whipping boy).

[Cambridgecutie]

You say "there's no evidence of any blood ever being present inside the silencer"

Yes.

[ILB]

Nicholas Caffells blood certainly was not found to be in the silencer.