Distribution of Casings

[Jane]

I don't do old ground with Cutie Jane, next she will be asking what evidence do i have to prove the Queen didn't have an affair with Putin.  That's how Bonkers and how serious i take her.

Well, I'm not happy with proving negatives, HB. Best leave well enough alone, eh?

[Zoso]

The casings around SC are where they would be expected.  There's nothing contentious about them afaik. 

The diagram is reliable because each casing was photographed and gone through in some detail at trial by way of DC Hammersley's trial testimony.

Nothing to do with DCI Jones.  The SOCO team captured all the relevant evidence by way of photographs and physical exhibits.

Is that in your 'professional' opinion?

[Zoso]

The above is not an exact science as the casings can ricochet and get kicked about but enough were fired to see patterns especially in what was referred to as the main bedroom/NB's and June's bedroom.

The totality of the soc evidence: bloodstains, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks does not support the prosecution case that JB entered the main bedroom and opened fire on his prone parents in bed.

It supports SC standing at the bottom of the bed, June's side, opening fire on a prone June.  NB coming upstairs from downstairs, with SC turning some 30/35 degrees to the right and inflicting the facial shots to NB as he was standing on the stairs immediately preceding the entrance to the main bedroom. 

If you consider the casing layout diagram for the twin's room, bearing in mind the ejection port ejects to the right and forward, it shows the casings in areas you would expect.  If you do the same for the main bedroom it does not show casings in areas you would expect to see them based on the prosecution case.  It shows casings in areas you would expect to see them based on the totality of the soc evidence as described above. 

Curiosity will say NB disturbed the casings by throwing back the duvet.  But this is not what the soc image portrays.  It portrays NB leaving the bed unhastily probably bearing in mind a sleeping June.  It is as though he slid out of bed rather than jumped out throwing the duvet over June's side.

Oh you and your trajectories 

[Hardy Boy]

I have it roughly and i DO say ROUGHLY,  TAFF arrives at WHF at 9.00/9.05am does a quick recky of the scene goes outside at 9.30am and tells Miller and Soco it's murder suicide.  It must be aound about this timing, Woodcock doesn't see him again after 9.30am at WHF and Woodcock is still there at 11.10am because he's asked to make safe the weapons by Montgomery?

I can Make out from Taff's notes he's in his office at 11'30am  doing reports, i can't make out what he's saying and who he's with at 1020am?

[David1819]

I don't do old ground with Cutie Jane, next she will be asking what evidence do i have to prove the Queen didn't have an affair with Putin.  That's how Bonkers and how serious i take her.

Why even bother wasting your time in the first place?

[Hardy Boy]

Why even bother wasting your time in the first place?

I'm begining to wonder myself David, i don't mind debating, and it keeps the forum active, but your probably right.

[Hardy Boy]

This is someone who admits to drinking four cans of beer while on the forums. Why even bother wasting your time in the first place?

Just a Question David, i think you live in london, do you Cycle at all?

[David1819]

Just a Question David, i think you live in london, do you Cycle at all?

I live on the very edge of London. I have an indoor exercise bike if that counts 

[Hardy Boy]

I live on the very edge of London. I have an indoor exercise bike if that counts 

It still does count David, well done.  I just thought i'd ask, on how you feel about cycling around London if you had one that's all, i love it.  I don't like the Delivery Driving cycle's with doctored Ebike wizzing through the streets and not stopping at any red lights, i think when i cycle everbody looks at me gone out for stopping at a red Light, the London Cyclist let down the rest of us and create the us and them attitude of some drivers.

[Zoso]

What evidence do you have that DS Jones did not slip back into WHF and contaminate the silencer? 

The so-called silencer evidence needs undermining on the basis of the blood flake found INSIDE not the contaminants OUTSIDE.  (Hence the referral to the CoA in 2002).  This is now possible.

What evidence do you have that he did? So you (being in the A team) can undermine the flake inside the silencer evidence can you? So what are you doing wasting your time here woman? Why aren't you saving the day for Bamber?

[Cambridgecutie]

Oh you and your trajectories 

Well why do you think Dr Vanezis highlighted for the defence, pre-trial, the trajectories for NB's facial shots?

He realised the significance when you have a 6' 4" tall man with gunshot wounds to the face and trajectories some 15 degrees below the horizontal.

[Zoso]

Well why do you think Dr Vanezis highlighted for the defence, pre-trial, the trajectories for NB's facial shots?

He realised the significance when you have a 6' 4" tall man with gunshot wounds to the face and trajectories some 15 degrees below the horizontal.

Oh I understand the significance - that's really not what I meant