A Tale of two SM's

[Roch]

Lets get back to debating how many silencers there were.

How many were there? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 5+?

Discuss

There are posts from Mike Teskowitz on this forum that relate to this, possibly also Hartley and Vidvic in response. Mark Williams-Thomas also has some info on this.

[ngb1066]

There are posts from Mike Teskowitz on this forum that relate to this, possibly also Hartley and Vidvic in response. Mark Williams-Thomas also has some info on this.

There were a total of five sound moderators in total which featured in the investigation in that they were either in the possession of Essex Police or the FSS at Huntingdon at various times. 

 

[Curiosity]

There are posts from Mike Teskowitz on this forum that relate to this, possibly also Hartley and Vidvic in response. Mark Williams-Thomas also has some info on this.

Teskowitz?!  Is that Mike T's Polish doppelganger?

[David1819]

Lets get back to debating how many silencers there were.

How many were there? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 5+?

Discuss

The Bamber silencer
The Pargheter silencer
David Boutflour's two silencers
Robert Boutflour's silencer

[Curiosity]

The Bamber silencer
The Pargheter silencer
David Boutflour's two silencers
Robert Boutflour's silencer

And no blood and red paint found on or in any of the latter three persons' moderators?

[Steve_uk]

You can read more about the sound moderators here, should you have the inclination: https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2441.0.html

[Cambridgecutie]

Nevill owned a sound moderator - this is an undisputed fact - so regardless of anything else, the sound moderator must have been somewhere in the house.

It follows therefore that if the police didn't find it, that can only be because they weren't looking properly! It cannot be the case that they searched the house and didn't find it because it wasn't there.

Of course, we could speculate that they did find it, but for some reason lied about it.

Why would they leave it, relying on the relatives to find it !?

Why would the police look for the silencer?  As far as they were concerned it was murder/suicide and the rifle was found on SC's body sans silencer. 

[ngb1066]

The Bamber silencer
The Pargheter silencer
David Boutflour's two silencers
Robert Boutflour's silencer

I did not know David Boutfour had two - were both handled by police?  The additional one I am aware of is the one owned by FSS and used for some tests in relation to this case.

[David1819]

According to DB he showed them to the police but they did not take away. See transcript below.

[Bubo bubo]

Why would the police look for the silencer?  As far as they were concerned it was murder/suicide and the rifle was found on SC's body sans silencer.

Because AP's SM was on the premises and had been used at some point. Even if he says his Brno was not usable because he had removed the bolt the rest of his gear was at WHF and formed part of NB's licence.

[BarefootDanC]

Why would the police look for the silencer?  As far as they were concerned it was murder/suicide and the rifle was found on SC's body sans silencer.

I agree and I think that adds to my point. The police "not finding" the silencer wasn't because it wasn't in the house - it had to be in the house because Nevill owned one. They didn't "not find" it because it wasn't there - it was for the reason you gave.

[Cambridgecutie]

Because AP's SM was on the premises and had been used at some point. Even if he says his Brno was not usable because he had removed the bolt the rest of his gear was at WHF and formed part of NB's licence.

And your point is?

The courts will only be interested in SBJ/1 exhibited at trial said to have blood, paint, scratches and hair on it with blood also inside representing SC's groups.

[Bubo bubo]

And your point is?

The courts will only be interested in SBJ/1 exhibited at trial said to have blood, paint, scratches and hair on it with blood also inside representing SC's groups.

As I stated. It showed signs of being used. It could have been fitted to the Anschutz or the Brno. I do not believe that AP a regular and experienced shooter would remove the bolt. If you read about this in 'Gun Magazines' it is bad practice to do this. You might go out shooting and forget to take it if it is not on the rifle and unless you have a special fitting for it could be damaged. It is a precision machined piece of the rifle

So it could have been used and got some paint on it. The Hair was on the 'Doppelganger' created by SBJ and the family. You also claim that the blood found internally was 'faked' by the FSS.

[snow66!]

Why would the police look for the silencer?  As far as they were concerned it was murder/suicide and the rifle was found on SC's body sans silencer.

OK Cutie!
But why didn't they go and pick up the sights and silencer once they knew of their existence?
Especially after AP said they were fitted on the rifle the week before the murders?

[Cambridgecutie]

As I stated. It showed signs of being used. It could have been fitted to the Anschutz or the Brno. I do not believe that AP a regular and experienced shooter would remove the bolt. If you read about this in 'Gun Magazines' it is bad practice to do this. You might go out shooting and forget to take it if it is not on the rifle and unless you have a special fitting for it could be damaged. It is a precision machined piece of the rifle

So it could have been used and got some paint on it. The Hair was on the 'Doppelganger' created by SBJ and the family. You also claim that the blood found internally was 'faked' by the FSS.

No.  There was 1 silencer SBJ/1 with blood, hair, paint and scratches on. 

And the blood inside wasn't 'faked' as such.  The lab just generated a set of test results to get the case to trial. 

The blood, hair, paint and scratches on the outside would easily have been batted away by the defence.  The outside only becomes compelling when put alongside the inside!