Silencer: If Sheila's blood was planted what about David & Pamela's blood group?

[Adam]

Why did AE not mention the finding of the silencer, blood, paint, scratches and hair in her 14th Aug wit stat?

No idea.

Is your narrative -

The relatives handed SJ a silencer with nothing on.

SJ fabricated the silencer. Successfully.

The relatives agreed to say they found the silencer with human blood & the aga paint on.

[Hardy Boy]

So the relatives handed in a silencer with nothing on. RB suggesting it should be examined for tampon fibres.

The results then say there was human blood and paint on the silencer. Due to SJ's fabrication.

SJ then asks the relatives to say they found the silencer with human blood & paint on. They agree.

The relatives told the Police there was Blood on the silencer.

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[Adam]

The relatives told the Police there was Blood on the silencer.

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CC's narrative is that SJ & the relatives have lied.

The relatives handed in a silencer with nothing on.

The relatives agreed to say they found the silencer with blood & paint on after SJ had fabricated it.

[Hardy Boy]

I never said that.

If they found what was claimed why not phone EP from WHF and leave it for EP to collect?  They would probably send a patrol car with flashing lights.  Maybe even the rotund one would resurface.   

If they found what was claimed why not reiterate this to EP on the phone and why would the officer collecting not go prepared with an exhibit bag/label?

If they found what was claimed why did it take EP some 2 days to collect.  Forensic evidence deteriorates.

They was told to take everything to Anne's house by B. Cock, they then phoned the Police from Anne's house.  The police didn't come to collect it for two day's, because the Policve was treating it as a Murder Suicide case at this time, they put little relavance into the finding of the Silencer.

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[Cambridgecutie]

CC's narrative is that SJ & the relatives have lied.

The relatives handed in a silencer with nothing on.

The relatives agreed to say they found the silencer with blood & paint on after SJ had fabricated it.

That is not what I said. 

Given Bamber was asked by EP to make a second statement about the rifle etc on 8th Aug it rather begs the question why AE's wit stat of 14th Aug makes no mention of a silencer in any context.  And it rather begs the question why the relatives did not make wit stats about the silencer until about a month after it was found.

[Hardy Boy]

Why did AE not mention the finding of the silencer, blood, paint, scratches and hair in her 14th Aug wit stat?

Because her 14th of August consists of two pages signed by Anne, there is only one here or have i missed it? is there an other one?

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[Cambridgecutie]

They was told to take everything to Anne's house by B. Cock, they then phoned the Police from Anne's house.  The police didn't come to collect it for two day's, because the Policve was treating it as a Murder Suicide case at this time, they put little relavance into the finding of the Silencer.

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No they were not told to take everything to Anne's house by B. Cock.  B. Cock was the accountant and was tasked with valuing the estate for probate.  He asked for all valuable eg cash, cheque books.  AE put away paintings and silver within WHF. 

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If the police/family put little relevance into the finding of the silencer why did AP phone EP about it on the morning of 8th Aug?

If the police/family put little relevance into the finding of the silencer why did EP ask JB to complete a further wit stat about it on 8th Aug?

[Cambridgecutie]

Because her 14th of August consists of two pages signed by Anne, there is only one here or have i missed it? is there an other one?

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P.47 AE's COLP Stat:

I have been asked why in my statement dated 14.8.85 is there no mention of the finding of the silencer.  The only reason I can think of is that DS Jones was not convinced of our observations, hence it was really a nothing statement.  I don't even think we spoke about it.

[Hardy Boy]

No they were not told to take everything to Anne's house by B. Cock.  B. Cock was the accountant and was tasked with valuing the estate for probate.  He asked for all valuable eg cash, cheque books.  AE put away paintings and silver within WHF. 

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If the police/family put little relevance into the finding of the silencer why did AP phone EP about it on the morning of 8th Aug?

If the police/family put little relevance into the finding of the silencer why did EP ask JB to complete a further wit stat about it on 8th Aug?

Maybe because they were guns and Ammunition, Cock thought it was better kept at AE house?  Or DB lied on oath at Court?

[Hardy Boy]

P.47 AE's COLP Stat:

I have been asked why in my statement dated 14.8.85 is there no mention of the finding of the silencer.  The only reason I can think of is that DS Jones was not convinced of our observations, hence it was really a nothing statement.  I don't even think we spoke about it.

Well there you have your answer then, i just noticed that a page was missing that's all?

[Adam]

Taking the silencer & other items back to Oak Farm does not mean anything. AE & PE lived there.

Surprised they gave SJ a silencer with nothing on.

Also surprised SJ trusted the relatives to later say the silencer had blood & paint on after he had fabricated it.

[Hardy Boy]

No they were not told to take everything to Anne's house by B. Cock.  B. Cock was the accountant and was tasked with valuing the estate for probate.  He asked for all valuable eg cash, cheque books.  AE put away paintings and silver within WHF. 

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If the police/family put little relevance into the finding of the silencer why did AP phone EP about it on the morning of 8th Aug?

If the police/family put little relevance into the finding of the silencer why did EP ask JB to complete a further wit stat about it on 8th Aug?

I think the Police was happy with Jeremy's explanation at first, that the silencer wasn't on the rifle when he left, it all tied in with the murder suicide theory.

They didn't just ask him to make a statement about the silencer on the 8th, it was Bamber who wanted to add further to his statement, he wished to Clarify things, he was probably asked questions after finishing his first statement and wanted to clear these things up by making another statement?

[Cambridgecutie]

Maybe because they were guns and Ammunition, Cock thought it was better kept at AE house?  Or DB lied on oath at Court?

It was nothing to do with Basil Cock.  He was the accountant.  The relatives took all the firearms, ammunition, silencer and scope to Oak Farm.  This to my mind seems the sensible thing to have done.  It says a lot about EP that they left firearms in an unoccupied property.  Especially given the firearms were not in any sort of secure unit. 

In what context did DB lie on oath at court?

[Bubo bubo]

Because her 14th of August consists of two pages signed by Anne, there is only one here or have i missed it? is there an other one?

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I do not suppose you know where page 2 has gone?

[Cambridgecutie]

I think the Police was happy with Jeremy's explanation at first, that the silencer wasn't on the rifle when he left, it all tied in with the murder suicide theory.

They didn't just ask him to make a statement about the silencer on the 8th, it was Bamber who wanted to add further to his statement, he wished to Clarify things, he was probably asked questions after finishing his first statement and wanted to clear these things up by making another statement?

There's no evidence JB wanted to make any further statements after his statement of 7th Aug. 

His statement made on 8th Aug in the evening was on the back of AP's call to Witham on morning of 8th Aug.