Silencer: If Sheila's blood was planted what about David & Pamela's blood group?

[Cambridgecutie]

Well, there is because his he states that HE wanted to clarify his movements etc. on 7th. Your comment about AP above being the case, why did Jones and Jones visit Bamber on 9th to ask about the silencer/sights?

Yes I am aware of the visit on 9th.  Maybe DCI Jones arranged for DC Clarke to take a statement on 8th on the basis he was going to interview him about it on 9th.

I disagree that because the typed statement refers to Bamber wanting to clarify his movements and actions that he instigated this statement. 

[Zoso]

Yes I am aware of the visit on 9th.  Maybe DCI Jones arranged for DC Clarke to take a statement on 8th on the basis he was going to interview him about it on 9th.

I disagree that because the typed statement refers to Bamber wanting to clarify his movements and actions that he instigated this statement.

You can disagree if you like, the point is you can't just dismiss it as though it were never said. However, the visit on the 9th was as a result of the meeting with the relatives. There would be no need for the visit if they were aware of the statement and Bamber saying the sights and silencer weren't on the rifle.

[Zoso]

Taff visited because AP told him that the silencer and sights were fitted the week before the murders Zoso!
Taff asked Bamber who removed them!

And you're telling me this because?

[Hardy Boy]

And you're telling me this because?

Why anyone keeps saying Taff only went to interview Bamber because of what AP told the Police is just rubbish,  Taff went to interview him on things he had told the Police outside WHF that morning as well, his first question to Bamber was............"Did he fire any shots that night at Rabbits" his second question was "where he left the gun and the safety of the gun" his third question was "when he took the gun out that night was the sights and silencer fitted, only the previous weekend they were seen on" the other questions were about the Magazine and the number of rounds fired ETC and the chat was about general family background, and then Sheila was brought up and this is when Bamber asked "Could you Chaps tell tell in which order they were KILLED"  Only iv'e been to see my Accountant.................................

The main reason TAFF went was because a number of things Bamber had said in HIS statements, not because of what AP had said

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[Hardy Boy]

The relatives do not mention the grey hair.

Yes they did, Anne was qusetioned on Oath and she said She looked at the Grey Hair with Stan, they both made comments about the Grey hair being there, so in Answer to your Post, the relatives DID mention the Grey Hair.

Although David did not see the hair, he say's he cannot bstand up here and say he saw the Hair?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=632.0;attach=19342;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=211.0;attach=19377;image

So, how did Stan get the Grey hair, Paint and Blood on the Silencer before the relatives finding on the 10th of Aug.  He couldn't have done it on the 7th, he was interviewing on the 8th, he handed the keys over on the 9th and was with DCI jones interviewing Bamber on the evening of the 9th, the silencer was found on the 10th, which day are you going with? 

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes they did, Anne was qusetioned on Oath and she said She looked at the Grey Hair with Stan, they both made comments about the Grey hair being there, so in Answer to your Post, the relatives DID mention the Grey Hair.

Although David did not see the hair, he say's he cannot bstand up here and say he saw the Hair?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=632.0;attach=19342;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=211.0;attach=19377;image

So, how did Stan get the Grey hair, Paint and Blood on the Silencer before the relatives finding on the 10th of Aug.  He couldn't have done it on the 7th, he was interviewing on the 8th, he handed the keys over on the 9th and was with DCI jones interviewing Bamber on the evening of the 9th, the silencer was found on the 10th, which day are you going with?

I was referring to pre-trial P.46 and P.47 of AE's wit stat

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.0.html

Surely the fact there are so many conflicting accounts about the exhibit that underpins the conviction tells you all you need to know about its reliability?  Please note in AE's wit stat she states the paint immediately reminded of her of the paint around the Aga.  Any yet roll on 6 years at COLP, when the heat was turned up, and she claims that was not really the case!  Why say it then? 

[Hardy Boy]

I was referring to pre-trial P.46 and P.47 of AE's wit stat

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.0.html

Surely the fact there are so many conflicting accounts about the exhibit that underpins the conviction tells you all you need to know about its reliability?  Please note in AE's wit stat she states the paint immediately reminded of her of the paint around the Aga.  Any yet roll on 6 years at COLP, when the heat was turned up, and she claims that was not really the case!  Why say it then?

Doesn’t matter, your claim The relatives never mentioned the Grey Hair is totally wrong, your feeding information to bolster your stupid theory about Stan, your behaving like the CT and then  others just follow and repeat what you accuse, instead of doing their own research.  Show me Evidence about your claim Stan doctored the silencer, it’s your accusation.

[Cambridgecutie]

Doesn’t matter, your claim The relatives never mentioned the Grey Hair is totally wrong, your feeding information to bolster your stupid theory about Stan, your behaving like the CT and then  others just follow and repeat what you accuse, instead of doing their own research.  Show me Evidence about your claim Stan doctored the silencer, it’s your accusation.

It does matter.  All the statements, trial testimony, and COLP are contradictory. 

And the trial testimony you uploaded claiming it originated from AE was in fact from PE.  PE was not present when the silencer was found. 

You are the one who is wrong. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes they did, Anne was qusetioned on Oath and she said She looked at the Grey Hair with Stan, they both made comments about the Grey hair being there, so in Answer to your Post, the relatives DID mention the Grey Hair.

Although David did not see the hair, he say's he cannot bstand up here and say he saw the Hair?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=632.0;attach=19342;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=211.0;attach=19377;image

So, how did Stan get the Grey hair, Paint and Blood on the Silencer before the relatives finding on the 10th of Aug.  He couldn't have done it on the 7th, he was interviewing on the 8th, he handed the keys over on the 9th and was with DCI jones interviewing Bamber on the evening of the 9th, the silencer was found on the 10th, which day are you going with?

The above excerpts of trial testimony relate to DB and PE not AE as you claim.

PE was not present when the silencer was found.

[snow66!]

And you're telling me this because?

I think my original question was, why didn't the police go and pick up the sights and silencer from the farm once there was a hullabaloo about them in the hours and days following the murders?
Even if the police didn't necessarilly see them as important at that stage,wouldn't they at least have considered them worthy of being crime scene exhibits?
As we can see,Mike claims that Stan went to the farm and picked up sights and a silencer once he found out of their existence!
This makes a lot of sense really!

[Zoso]

I think my original question was, why didn't the police go and pick up the sights and silencer from the farm once there was a hullabaloo about them in the hours and days following the murders?
Even if the police didn't necessarilly see them as important at that stage,wouldn't they at least have considered them worthy of being crime scene exhibits?
As we can see,Mike claims that Stan went to the farm and picked up sights and a silencer once he found out of their existence!
This makes a lot of sense really!

They did.

[snow66!]

They did.

Who did what Zoso?

[snow66!]

Seems to me the sights and silencer were a bit like the buckets of clothing strewn over the kitchen floor,the police had first dibs at them, but ignored them like the plague, leaving Ann Eaton to deal with them and describe the bloodied findings in court even.

[Hardy Boy]

The above excerpts of trial testimony relate to DB and PE not AE as you claim.

PE was not present when the silencer was found.

I didn't say he was present when the silencer was found, he was there when it was handed over to Jones though and that's when the hair was discussed, Anne i think had to go to WHF the Alarm had gone off so i'm pretty certain Peter handed it to Jones?  I got my P's mixed up with my E's statements wise, i had four up and clicked on the wrong one.  Anyway you can read Anne's bit where she say's her Husband must have got it for the Police?  So yes the relatives did mention seeing the Grey hair and it was mentioned more importantly at trial?  Have you thought, probably no one thought no more about the Grey hair, it wasn't important, because when it came to make their statement hadn't the hair been lost, or they was honest and some didn't see it, i don't know just a thought really?

My only take on the Silencer and why the Police didn't rush to fetch it, maybe when the Family made the call to the Police on the Saturday, and it was a weekend and  i don't know if the police was told about the Blood and Paint on it, i say this because how i understand it from Jones, they didn't think much off it, and i think [i will check when i have time] RWB went to Witham and wanted to know why they hadn't collected the Silencer on the Monday,  he told them it had blood on it and i think this is when Stan was told to fetch it because it had Blood on it on the Monday?  I think it was Anne who made the initial call to the Police about the silencer.

I could be wrong in all this, i haven't got time at the moment but i will try to put links up later or Tomorrow?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4069.0;attach=29943;image

[David1819]

Doesn’t matter, your claim The relatives never mentioned the Grey Hair is totally wrong, your feeding information to bolster your stupid theory about Stan, your behaving like the CT and then  others just follow and repeat what you accuse, instead of doing their own research. 

How dare you sir. The CT graveside reading, cake baking and CC making 4000 posts pretending to be guilter while guzzling crates of beer is the pinnacle of investigate excellence.