Applying Occam's Razor

[guest7363]

I would have thought he only knew a limited amount, he hadn’t a clue what was in her hospital/doctors notes, I don’t think he took her medical condition in any way,  other than being a nutter?

Being a Nutter probably fit his plan better than someone being on the verge of incapable?

[lookout]

Have to agree with you Lookout, he thought of her as a nutter.  You can look at it this way, would Bamber have risked the murder suicide theory had he known about her illness?  At the end of the day he didn’t know what direction the investigation would go, he could only orchestrate it so far.

The whole trial didn't even go as it should have done with hundreds of documents which would have assisted the defence were withheld, along with original photo's of the crime scene. This is all going to help with his freedom before the years out. JB wouldn't have risked anything like this in his life, he wouldn't have done it and didn't do it. I can't stress it enough as I can see the whole picture and not just half of it. The man has never been violent in his life, except in self-defence when someone tried to cut his throat, but wouldn't we all defend ourselves ?

Sheila would have fought like a man if it had been Jeremy shooting at her children.

If Drake said he could convict on the silencer alone, he was wrong wasn't he  and he'll be proved so ?

[guest29835]

I would have thought he only knew a limited amount, he hadn’t a clue what was in her hospital/doctors notes, I don’t think he took her medical condition in any way,  other than being a nutter?

I agree.  The point still stands that, knowing she was a "nutter", that provided the backcloth to his staging plan for Sheila.  For context, the reason this conversation started is that some pro-Jeremy people are trying to suggest he would have needed in-depth knowledge of Sheila's condition to do this.

[Caroline]

In my view, some people here are hair-splitting.  Jeremy doesn't need to have in-depth knowledge of Sheila's illness in order to decide to stage a murder-suicide.

He gave a pretty good account of her illness in his first statement.

[lookout]

Except that he didn't tell them about the possible implications of having a psychotic attack. Had he known that, there'd have been no stopping him would there ?

[guest29835]

Except that he didn't tell them about the possible implications of having a psychotic attack. Had he known that, there'd have been no stopping him would there ?

Maybe he didn't go into too much depth because he thought that might arouse suspicion?

On the other hand, he didn't live with Sheila and hadn't throughout the relevant period of time, so there was no reason for him to know much beyond the basics.

To be honest, I don't see the point that the pro-Jeremy side are making here.  He knew she was ill.  He knew she could 'go crazy'.  He knew she was violent.  This knowledge does not make him guilty, but it was enough to form the kernel of a plan, if he is guilty.

[Caroline]

Except that he didn't tell them about the possible implications of having a psychotic attack. Had he known that, there'd have been no stopping him would there ?

He implied that that's what she did have. The words his father are supposed to have said were "Sheila has gone 'crazy', she's got the gun'. Armed with that knowledge, far from being hard to stop, he was particularly hard to start!

[lookout]

Maybe he didn't go into too much depth because he thought that might arouse suspicion?

On the other hand, he didn't live with Sheila and hadn't throughout the relevant period of time, so there was no reason for him to know much beyond the basics.

To be honest, I don't see the point that the pro-Jeremy side are making here.  He knew she was ill.  He knew she could 'go crazy'.  He knew she was violent.  This knowledge does not make him guilty, but it was enough to form the kernel of a plan, if he is guilty.

Certainly to others he'd appeared guilty---but I'm sorry, that's not enough to charge anyone with murder.

[Jane]

Certainly to others he'd appeared guilty---but I'm sorry, that's not enough to charge anyone with murder.

Nor is it enough to charge someone they categorically know to be innocent when they have a ready made culprit who can't argue with them. We know Jones was so fed up with the family that he threw them out, IF there'd been a suicide note, he'd have been only too happy to tell them to get them off his back. IF there'd been a call from Nevill telling them his daughter had gone mad and got hold of a gun, he'd have delighted in rubbing in their faces.

[guest7363]

Maybe he didn't go into too much depth because he thought that might arouse suspicion?

On the other hand, he didn't live with Sheila and hadn't throughout the relevant period of time, so there was no reason for him to know much beyond the basics.

To be honest, I don't see the point that the pro-Jeremy side are making here.  He knew she was ill.  He knew she could 'go crazy'.  He knew she was violent.  This knowledge does not make him guilty, but it was enough to form the kernel of a plan, if he is guilty.

I agree, being depressed and having Schizophrenia was enough for him, it fitted his idea of a nutter.