Re: The murder of Jodi Jones

[nugnug]

Indeed!

Why was the area first flooded with pictures of a 4/5 year old Jodi and then an 8 year old Jodi when the claim was they were trying to find witnesses who might have seen 14 year old Jodi that day?

Why was the reconstruction video so inaccurate - it was (by the final claims about timings) around 15 minutes too late, there was no depiction of a "Stocky Man" following Jodi, or of a man in fishing clothing with thick hair standing up in a clump at the back, his arms by his sides, palms facing forward, standing in the lane leading to the path, with Jodi standing on the pavement looking towards him.

How could anyone's memory be "jogged" by a video that didn't reflect the known details and was too late to have helped anyway?

And, as nugnug points out, why refuse Crimewatch? It had one of the biggest viewing audiences at the time and, by July 7th, the case was already so massive that L&B were drowning in the deluge of "information" pouring into the enquiry (so much so that they missed masses of important information). Why not accept the offer of help from Crimewatch and lessen their direct burden?

Retrospectively, it would be easy to conclude that there was a concerted effort to keep "prying" outside eyes out and to control the public narrative of the case (in a way that, perhaps, would not have been possible had Crimewatch been involved).

 the thing is though if you were conviced luke was the killer than you would want people to come forward becouse you would know that they would confirm your suspicions and make the case agianst him  stronger the fact they dident want people to come forward suggests they were by no means convinced luke was the killer.

[TheArmchairDetective]

Do you know what I find so utterly ridiculous and bizarre about this whole situation? The number of people that could have potentially seen something or indeed carried out the murder.  People in fishing clothing with the deceased staring at him; stocky men walking behind her; people on mopeds shaving their hair afterwards; people with scratches all over their face; people’s sperm on clothing; people known to violently attack others with knives; dodgy alibis; other individuals in the vicinity who may be involved; knives found near the scene with names on them; inscriptions on knife pouches; dodgy Police investigations; strangling sounds coming from behind brick walls; used condoms near the locus.  The whole story is like Cluedo.  How did so many things come together here to skew the truth? The average murder usually has a couple of witnesses here and there and maybe some people walking past near the time of death or whatever, not guys in fishing suits staring at people or dudes with stocky builds following people, all the while knife pouches are being found with mad writing, followed by semen on bodies and guys who dump fresh condoms in dark wooded areas.  The number of individual developments and circumstances that actually took place is unreal.  It’s as though because all of these developments happened together throughout the investigation, a blanket was pulled over the truth which makes it impossible to know WHO it was.  It’s like Cluedo.  There are so many dodgy individual aspects in this case from a number of people it is unreal.  You’d be lucky to report even one or two of this stuff in a normal investigation.  Strangling sounds from behind brick walls?  People in fishing gear looking at the deceased? I mean it gets more and more ridiculous by the minute.  It’s like trying to crack a 10 digit code to a safe.  Honestly.  It’s mind boggling.

[Steve_uk]

I can't picture the murder scene if anyone has a diagram or a link?

[sandra L]

Do you mean the V break in the wall or the actual place where Jodi was found? To my knowledge, there are no pictures in the public domain of the latter.

[TheArmchairDetective]

Try these images.  I took then about a month ago.

This one shows the V-Break
https://m.imgur.com/a/TEYKH9L

This one looks through the V-break
https://m.imgur.com/a/boXpjV7

This one shows the Roans Dyke Path
https://m.imgur.com/a/OnOcDes

The second one, looking through the V-break, probably does not encapsulate where the body was found as I wasn’t prepared to climb over.  However, according to the court description as to where the body was, I think off the top of my head it was around 13m to the left of the V.  In the image, my camera is indeed pointing to this direction.  So if you can approximate what 13m might look like in this picture, you can maybe imagine where it would be near.  It was also found relatively close to the wall I think.

As for the other pictures, you can see the V-break itself and also the location of the crime.  I was actually on a short break with my partner around six weeks ago through in the Dalkeith area and passed this place as we went to the large Tesco.  I thought to myself - let’s go and put a place to the hype.  A little bit on the morbid side of adventures, but hey ho.  Hope the images shed some light on the crime scene.  Bearing in mind that in 2003, the whole path would probably have been closed off to the public.

 

[TheArmchairDetective]

Sandra might be able to draw a sketch of where the body was located in comparison with other surroundings maybe? Im not sure if this is something she would do though.

Sandra, I’m curious - have you seen the crime scene pictures? I always wondered if you had ever seen them...

[sandra L]

If you look at the picture of the woodland strip through the V from your previous post, you'd go 16.3 metres to your left. Jodi was found at a right angle to the wall, her feet maybe 3 - 4' from the wall, her head somewhere around 8 - 9' from the wall. It's worth noting that the woodland strip is not densely wooded (as you can see from the picture).

Yes, I've seen the crime scene photographs, unfortunately.

[Steve_uk]

If you look at the picture of the woodland strip through the V from your previous post, you'd go 16.3 metres to your left. Jodi was found at a right angle to the wall, her feet maybe 3 - 4' from the wall, her head somewhere around 8 - 9' from the wall. It's worth noting that the woodland strip is not densely wooded (as you can see from the picture).

Yes, I've seen the crime scene photographs, unfortunately.

If I compare this case to Carl Bridgewater for a moment it was noted that he looked relaxed on the settee before he was shot in the head. Is there any indication whether Jodie had been forced to undress or any other indication of her mental state in the run-up to the murder?

[Steve_uk]

Try these images.  I took then about a month ago.

This one shows the V-Break
https://m.imgur.com/a/TEYKH9L

This one looks through the V-break
https://m.imgur.com/a/boXpjV7

This one shows the Roans Dyke Path
https://m.imgur.com/a/OnOcDes

The second one, looking through the V-break, probably does not encapsulate where the body was found as I wasn’t prepared to climb over.  However, according to the court description as to where the body was, I think off the top of my head it was around 13m to the left of the V.  In the image, my camera is indeed pointing to this direction.  So if you can approximate what 13m might look like in this picture, you can maybe imagine where it would be near.  It was also found relatively close to the wall I think.

As for the other pictures, you can see the V-break itself and also the location of the crime.  I was actually on a short break with my partner around six weeks ago through in the Dalkeith area and passed this place as we went to the large Tesco.  I thought to myself - let’s go and put a place to the hype.  A little bit on the morbid side of adventures, but hey ho.  Hope the images shed some light on the crime scene.  Bearing in mind that in 2003, the whole path would probably have been closed off to the public.

Thank you Armchair (may I call you that for convenience, though it seems you might need a different monicker now you got up from your chair in investigating this case.)

[TheArmchairDetective]

Ah, yes - the ‘Armchair’ was indeed left behind on this occasion.  From a physical point of view, the location of the crime is simply what you would expect a secluded area in woodland to look like - nothing particularly striking.  However, if you are a psychical type who tunes in with meta-physical energy, I guess there does seem to be a bit of unease where the V-break is located.  Looking over this felt a little bit like looking over the edge of a small boat at sea; a somewhat nauseous sensation developing in the pit of the stomach.  Over the side of the wall is a bunch of trees, but you can see how someone could have got away with what they did.  I just simply cannot believe the number of developments that all came together at once in this case which helped pull a blanket over the truth. 

[Steve_uk]

Ah, yes - the ‘Armchair’ was indeed left behind on this occasion.  From a physical point of view, the location of the crime is simply what you would expect a secluded area in woodland to look like - nothing particularly striking.  However, if you are a psychical type who tunes in with meta-physical energy, I guess there does seem to be a bit of unease where the V-break is located.  Looking over this felt a little bit like looking over the edge of a small boat at sea; a somewhat nauseous sensation developing in the pit of the stomach.  Over the side of the wall is a bunch of trees, but you can see how someone could have got away with what they did.  I just simply cannot believe the number of developments that all came together at once in this case which helped pull a blanket over the truth.

I haven't read all the contributions to this case and came to it late anyhow. I would only add that the Scottish press seem determined to blacken Luke Mitchell's character at every opportunity and seem certain that it's a secure conviction.

[Steve_uk]

Inconceivable that Jodi climbed in there with someone other than Luke.

Was the case that they climbed over for sexual intercourse upon which Jodie was attacked whilst undressing?

[TheArmchairDetective]

‘Lithium’ makes a good point - James English has taken down the YouTube video podcasts with both Corrine and Sandra.  Why has this happened?

To me, it sounds as though something has been said, maybe even leaked, that perhaps shouldn’t have.  Or, perhaps people have commented on the video and said things that shouldn’t be said.

Whatever way, the only person active on the forum who may be able to help is Sandra.

Can you shed light on why James English has taken these videos down, Sandra?  Seems a bit odd given all his other ones are still there...

[Bullseye]

Inconceivable that Jodi climbed in there with someone other than Luke.

I’m not so sure, she knew the 2 boys on the moped that were there at the v at 1715 i think she would go over with them. She could have had a quick smoke with them before they left, it has always seemed they 2 knew more than they did, maybe they were the last to see her alive, right at the place she was murdered and were to scared to say.

Quite the opposite. They were over there having an argument about a girl Luke was two-timing Jodi with (Kimberley Thomson of Perth). She had been texting Luke regarding meeting up during the summer holidays and this came to light at school that day. This is why Luke deleted the texts from Jodi from his phone, they would have detailed all of this. (In my opinion) Luke possibly lost his temper and knocked Jodi out with a large tree branch when she stormed away from him, and subsequently removed the clothing and inflicted the knife injuries post-mortem to make it look like the murder was carried out by a rapist or deranged killer. He had a knife on him all the time anyway. Luke's own friends said that he jabbed her in the leg with a knife not long before the murder and was treating her like shit.

This has never sat right with me, if she found out about the other girl when she was at school then by the time she got home she would be very upset, the mum would noticed this. She thought she might have been in love with Luke, if she knew or even though he was cheating she would be devastated and would not have been the happy girl the mum remembers that evening before she left. I think it’s more likely, if it was Luke, then this was something he had been thinking about and wanting to do for a while and for some simple and horrible reason it happened that night. Maybe he told her about the other girl when they met up, but I don’t think she knew before she left the house as she was too happy.

[TheArmchairDetective]

Not sure about anyone else, but I find it particularly strange that James English has taken the Luke Mitchell videos down from YouTube.  I suspect something has happened and he’s felt they are better offline.  I read some of the comments - nothing in the comments is unknown public information.  Everything people have said is all very relevant.  Seems a bit strange given his other videos are still online.