Re: The murder of Jodi Jones

[gordo30]

You can find as many thoughts on this type of thing from various different professionals and  amateurs a like. I do t have many thoughts either way, I know it’s used by certain government departments in the states and other places.
It doesn’t have a bearing on this case though does it ! Luke wasn't convicted using one was he?

His lie detector was for me just that, makes no difference to myself although it might bolster popular opinion in some aspects.

[gordo30]

Here a Q for parky.

Can you give 5 fully corroborated pieces of evidence that would be allowed in a Scottish court of law that would lead to the conviction of Luke?

[nugnug]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/25/jeremy-kyle-producers-admit-lie-detector-tests-may-have-given/

there talking about people who failed them not people who passed.

[gordo30]

Lithium has left the building and this thread has become unintelligible. There are better times ahead with a lot of effort and a big push to prove this case a MOJ and the support will be with Luke as it has the past 16 years.
I don’t want to try and understand motives for the deletion of much of what has been discussed here as private reasons are enough.
I’m sry though as we had new posters contribute even although they failed to follow up on what they contributed to but again as with a case like this it’s hard to even know where to start let alone know anything about the case in general.
looking forward always

[sandra L]

We've seen this happen so many times before - people come on, flood the thread with misinformation, draw everyone into responding then delete their posts so that the thread makes no sense. Anyone coming along later soon gives up because they can't make head nor tail of it.

I was thinking about the claimed 20 pieces of solid evidence against Luke (that's been deleted now) - what's always interested me are the number of pieces of "evidence" that applied equally, and in some cases, moreso, to others than they did to Luke - so, drug use, connection with knives, "dark" interests, etc, etc. There are at least 5 others to whom all of these apply. Of those five, we can add serious mental health conditions (which didn't apply to Luke), previous attacks on women (which didn't apply to Luke), attacks with bladed intruments (which didn't apply to Luke), long histories of violence and/or involvement with the police (which didn't apply to Luke) - the truth is, they could have built stronger circumstantial cases against a number of others but stuck with their ludicrous case against Luke and stoked the fires of hatred and bias via the media to ensure he was convicted.

[nugnug]

can anyone find the clip of jodis aunts making the information appeal id like to post it elsewhere.

[sandra L]

I haven't been able to find it nugnug - there are articles referring to it, but the clip itself seems to have disappeared completely. The only link I had (a very old one) no longer works.

[sandra L]

Looking for the clip of the aunts' appeal, I found this, from January 21st 2005:

She [Judith]said she learned from police that Jodi had been self-harming, and she later discovered the girl had confided in her sister Janine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4195169.stm

That is completely and utterly untrue. According to her statements, it was Joseph who told Judy about Jodi self harming - she knew nothing about it until Joseph told her. I always thought it was very strange that Joseph knew, but Janine didn't, since Jodi was, by all accounts, much closer to Janine than she was to Joseph.

But it certainly wasn't "the police" who broke the news about self-harm. Jodi did confide in her sister that the relationship with Luke had become sexual, so it's even more surprising that she didn't confide in her about the self harm.

[gordo30]

It doesn’t look out of place though, Jodi might have wanted a different form of relationship with her sister, friends and closeness to the point where she wanted to be more like her. She may have looked up to her sister and didn’t want to let her sister know there were problems.

She stayed in the same house as Joesph so he may have saw the cuts and asked about them, more a matter of circumstance than anything else.

[nugnug]

It doesn’t look out of place though, Jodi might have wanted a different form of relationship with her sister, friends and closeness to the point where she wanted to be more like her. She may have looked up to her sister and didn’t want to let her sister know there were problems.

She stayed in the same house as Joesph so he may have saw the cuts and asked about them, more a matter of circumstance than anything else.

well shel ilived in the same house as her mum but her mum didn't know

[nugnug]

the question for me is why the police even asked abut her sexual activity and her self harming what was the relevance.

[gordo30]

The two in certain circumstance can be co joined, abuse can lead to many different avenues

[sandra L]

I've never heard that she was claimed to have been self-harming from the age of 8 - that would have been round about the age she was when her dad died. I know she struggled for her first two years at high school - I always assumed the self-harm began in that period.

From all accounts, Jodi was very secretive about her self-harming and always kept her arms covered. The statement in which Judith claimed not to have known about Jodi self harming until Joseph told her "just the other day" covered other information that Joseph had read in Jodi's diary, the implication being that the information about self harm had also come from the diary.

The front of her diary was covered in dire warnings that they were strictly private and not to be read by anyone. Judy said, after the trial, that Jodi would have been horrified at her diaries being read out in court (even though the bits read out in court were about her love for Luke, etc). I presume Jodi would have been equally horrified at the thought of her brother reading her private thoughts about boys, sex, etc.

In the same statement, Judy said Joseph told her about Jodi writing in her diary that she wanted to move out of the family home and move in with Yvonne Walker, which doesn't really fit with the idyllic, blissful home-life portrayed at trial - Janine moved out three years earlier, also aged 14. Why would two 14 year old daughters both want to leave home at such a young age?

[nugnug]

I've never heard that she was claimed to have been self-harming from the age of 8 - that would have been round about the age she was when her dad died. I know she struggled for her first two years at high school - I always assumed the self-harm began in that period.

From all accounts, Jodi was very secretive about her self-harming and always kept her arms covered. The statement in which Judith claimed not to have known about Jodi self harming until Joseph told her "just the other day" covered other information that Joseph had read in Jodi's diary, the implication being that the information about self harm had also come from the diary.

The front of her diary was covered in dire warnings that they were strictly private and not to be read by anyone. Judy said, after the trial, that Jodi would have been horrified at her diaries being read out in court (even though the bits read out in court were about her love for Luke, etc). I presume Jodi would have been equally horrified at the thought of her brother reading her private thoughts about boys, sex, etc.

In the same statement, Judy said Joseph told her about Jodi writing in her diary that she wanted to move out of the family home and move in with Yvonne Walker, which doesn't really fit with the idyllic, blissful home-life portrayed at trial - Janine moved out three years earlier, also aged 14. Why would two 14 year old daughters both want to leave home at such a young age?

oh soory missread the link i will delete that post.

i wonder hy he was reading her dairy was it just nosey or did he want to know somthing i doubt if she would of left it lying around so he must of looked for it.

[sandra L]

Apparently, one diary went missing. It had been referred to in a statement, which is how the police knew about it, but when the police came to collect it, it couldn't be found.