Re: The murder of Jodi Jones

[sandra L]

Well he was buying Cannabis from Ferris before he went out with Jodi.

Error. I know who he was buying cannabis from previously and it wasn't Ferris.

[sandra L]

So are you willing to address the evidence from Luke's neighbours?

3 people mistakenly smelling and seeing burning from Luke's back garden that night?

How does that happen.

Yes, I'm more than willing to address it. They did not say in their statements they saw it - they were quite clear about that - they only smelled it. And yes, they are almost certainly mistaken about the time. It was much later that the police went back and asked neighbours about smoke/burning - 32 out of 35 witnesses either said there was no smoke that evening, they couldn't say for sure if there was smoke, or they gave accounts of various places where the smell of smoke could have been emanating from (other than the Mitchell garden). Two out of 35 (and only one of whom was called to give evidence) spoke of strange smelling smoke. The one who was not asked to give evidence told of a citronella candle in their garden catching fire a few days after the murder. It was the police, camped outside the Mitchell home, who alerted them that their candle had gone up in flames. The Franklands (two out of the three who did give evidence) said the smell, on whatever night it was, because they could not be sure what night it was, was wood smoke. They remembered because they liked the smell.

So who do we believe? 34 out of 35 or 1 out of 35? As they say in legal circles, where does the weight of the evidence lie?

[nugnug]

Ashes taken days after the alleged burning prove nothing

And I'm not sure gordo. My post was just to say that there is ever chance joey knew of him through jfs dealings

yes it does it wouldent mater if it was years later forensics would still be able to find evidence of it.

[sandra L]

That’s not what I asked though is it. Did the Jones know Luke prior to his relationship with Jodi?

No, Gordo, they didn't. This is according to all of their own statements, Jodi's diaries, friends' statements and Luke's accounts. None of them knew Luke prior to his relationship with Jodi.

[gordo30]

Exactly what I thought ! The smallest detail can be so damaging in the wrong context . If the Jones didn’t know Luke prior to the relationship with Jodi then where are you getting all the information from? Regarding the lock knife he always carried! How the whole family knows he had a parka! . All the information that your producing here to be fair seems contentious at best. You some sort of pawn mate? Like Ferris

[sandra L]

sndra who did the mopd actully belong to.

If their statements are to be believed, it was jointly owned by Ferris and Dickie. There is, however, a suggestion that it was Ferris's, but he kept it at Dickie's place for some reason.

The statements about bikes are very confusing - there was mention (eventually) about another bike ridden by Ferris that belonged to someone else entirely (someone with no apparent connection to the case) - that came about as part of the explanation for the wet and muddy gloves. Ferris couldn't remember when he'd ridden that bike - it might have been the weekend before the murder - but he did remember that he'd borrowed his brother's gloves (without his permission ... wait ... that sounds familiar) to go out riding that bike and they'd got wet and muddy then.

Dickie, however, blew a hole in that story by suggesting he had identical gloves to the ones borrowed without permission from Ferris's brother (wait ... that sounds familiar), but he (Dickie) "wasn't bothered" about the damp, muddy, hidden gloves being discovered even though they might have been his or they might have been Ferris's.

So, in answer to your original question, I don't know for sure who the bike really belonged to. There was a statement from Judith, quite a bit into the investigation which begins:

"I have been asked about motorbikes owned by my son Joseph." She went on to say she could confirm Joseph had not "owned" a bike for a period of time (can't actually remember how long - again, I'd have to check). Why were the police asking specifically about motorbikes owned by Joseph? None of the bikes in question had recorded owners - they were all off-roaders and, back then, there was no requirement to register ownership - I think that changed several years later when daft lads on dirt bikes/off roaders were causing a nuisance in residential areas?

[nugnug]

Exactly what I thought ! The smallest detail can be so damaging in the wrong context . If the Jones didn’t know Luke prior to the relationship with Jodi then where are you getting all the information from? Regarding the lock knife he always carried! How the whole family knows he had a parka! . All the information that your producing here to be fair seems contentious at best. You some sort of pawn mate? Like Ferris

well if they dident know him they couldent of known wather he wore a parka or anything about him.

[nugnug]

If their statements are to be believed, it was jointly owned by Ferris and Dickie. There is, however, a suggestion that it was Ferris's, but he kept it at Dickie's place for some reason.

The statements about bikes are very confusing - there was mention (eventually) about another bike ridden by Ferris that belonged to someone else entirely (someone with no apparent connection to the case) - that came about as part of the explanation for the wet and muddy gloves. Ferris couldn't remember when he'd ridden that bike - it might have been the weekend before the murder - but he did remember that he'd borrowed his brother's gloves (without his permission ... wait ... that sounds familiar) to go out riding that bike and they'd got wet and muddy then.



Dickie, however, blew a hole in that story by suggesting he had identical gloves to the ones borrowed without permission from Ferris's brother (wait ... that sounds familiar), but he (Dickie) "wasn't bothered" about the damp, muddy, hidden gloves being discovered even though they might have been his or they might have been Ferris's.

So, in answer to your original question, I don't know for sure who the bike really belonged to. There was a statement from Judith, quite a bit into the investigation which begins:

"I have been asked about motorbikes owned by my son Joseph." She went on to say she could confirm Joseph had not "owned" a bike for a period of time (can't actually remember how long - again, I'd have to check). Why were the police asking specifically about motorbikes owned by Joseph? None of the bikes in question had recorded owners - they were all off-roaders and, back then, there was no requirement to register ownership - I think that changed several years later when daft lads on dirt bikes/off roaders were causing a nuisance in residential areas?

did it really belong to ethere of them i wonder were did they say they were going with it.

[Parky41]

Dare I ask a simple Q guys, don't want to be promoting any kind of hostilities between  'The auld team' of your take on Q time?

Simple really.

There were , regardless of conception of your (cough) facts. 20 points of circumstantial evidence put forth.

My interest would be, in all of your many years of debates and discussions, can you 3? come anywhere close to putting forward 20 points in respect of (cough) your many suspects. Each individually to their own of course.

Dissertation and all that, just simple answers and points required. Thank you muchly :-)

[nugnug]

So you're saying none of Jodi's family met Luke before Jodi was murdered? What are you talking about? I didn't say they saw him wearing a parka before he was Jodi's bf. I said they saw him wearing a parka because he was Jodi's bf.

they also said jodi wasnt allowed to use the path on her own wich is peovably untrue

[nugnug]

How is it?

Just because she did something doesn't mean she wasn't allowed.

I'm sure her and Luke "weren't allowed" to smoke weed.

they allso said she was grounded when she wasnt.

[nugnug]

How is it?

Just because she did something doesn't mean she wasn't allowed.

I'm sure her and Luke "weren't allowed" to smoke weed.

they also said she would she would not of used the path on her own.

but then chose that as the first place to look rather strange

[gordo30]

Ok just the 20 on one person( I would t call them suspects)
1. Mental health problems treated by many different drugs exacerbated by the use of recreational drugs
2. Long time dealer of drugs.
3. Long history of violence
4. Use of knives
5. No alibi at at least 1 point that night
6. Never took part in the search for his sibling
7. Plans for that night we’re changed
8. Was seen following Jodi not long after she left the house.
9. Was one of the last people to see the victim alive
10. Would certainly know the area of the murder
11. Was never questioned by the police
12. Was there a danger to Jodi through his dealing with drugs?
13. Were told he never left the house for a long time although he had been out that weekend and was also that day
14. Missed appointment to see psychologist that day.
15. After the murder appeared withdrawn again possibly due to drugs
16. Threatening behaviour afterwards

Ok just the 16 points but many of these were applied circumstantially to Luke and quite a few of these points could be elaborated with more than one example. In all that I still could make up more to fit a circumstantial case. I don’t see the point as this looks like I’m claiming he committed  the murder and that would be wrong because I don’t believe he committed the murder.

[gordo30]

So you're saying none of Jodi's family met Luke before Jodi was murdered? What are you talking about? I didn't say they saw him wearing a parka before he was Jodi's bf. I said they saw him wearing a parka because he was Jodi's bf.

I only asked if the Jones family knew Luke prior to them being in a relationship, simple question that didn’t warrant anything else than a simple yes/no

[gordo30]

Sandra already has a few posts back. Why would we bother if the Jones family or yourself can come out with what they want simply because they believe it themselves.

Can I ask did the Jones know Luke before he went out with Jodi?

That’s what I asked more misinformation from yourself