so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.

[lookout]

I would still like to know who told Roch in March of 2017 that these runs of blood are actually scratches and gouge marks caused by an altercation.

IMO its a ludicrous suggestion to make.

I think I remember that I'd actually said that they looked like injuries because of the density of the blood colour, but this was only a suggestion and not a definite answer. I'll look for the said post/s.

[Roch]

I think I remember that I'd actually said that they looked like injuries because of the density of the blood colour

On image 2, on page 20 above, there is a marked contrast in darkness between the streams and the visible spot.

[Roch]

I would still like to know who told Roch in March of 2017 that these runs of blood are actually scratches and gouge marks caused by an altercation.

IMO its a ludicrous suggestion to make.

Somebody who attended a function for EP or ex EP.  They overheard some former colleagues laughing about how much of a stitch-up the Bamber case was.  Sickened by what they heard, they took the decision to study aspects of the case, particularly the very earliest events of 7/8/85.

[lookout]

It was a post I made in 2016 that I'd said that the marks on Sheila's arm " looked like wounds ". It's on the thread called  "Sheila's Clean Hands".

[David1819]

On image 2, on page 20 above, there is a marked contrast in darkness between the streams and the visible spot.

That is because the stream is not as thick as the blob. Sheila's skin is showing underneath it.

Much like this blood stain.

[David1819]

Somebody who attended a function for EP or ex EP.  They overheard some former colleagues laughing about how much of a stitch-up the Bamber case was.  Sickened by what they heard, they took the decision to study aspects of the case, particularly the very earliest events of 7/8/85.

Bill Robertson?

[Roch]

That is because the stream is not as thick as the blob. Sheila's skin is showing underneath it.

Much like this blood stain.

What is that stain and where's it from?  It looks like a paper background.

[lookout]

I wonder how Bill Robertson is ? He used to PM me. He was a cop.

[lookout]

What is that stain and where's it from?  It looks like a paper background.

It does depend on the type of surface where blood lands, the depth of the injury and whether the blood is from a vein or an artery.

[Roch]

Bill Robertson?

Yes it was initially his argument. IMHO, images of her crime scene show that she had a lot of small nicks, cuts and grazes.  It's virtually the only aspect that I retain a slight interest in.

[David1819]

What is that stain and where's it from?  It looks like a paper background.

Its from a book I have. "Forensic Science: From the Crime Scene to the Crime Lab, 3rd Edition"

Also in the book is this photo and this text that follows -



A bloodstain pattern formed by
the movement of small or large
amounts of blood as a result of
gravity’s pull.


Patterns made by drops or large amounts of blood flowing with the pull
of gravity are called flows . Flows may be formed by single drops or large
volumes of blood coming from an actively bleeding wound or blood deposited
on a surface, from an arterial spurt, for example.

[lookout]

It's the deoxygenated blood which is very dark and where there are drops of blood, the darkest drops are from veins and distinguishes where injuries are in other areas of a body, i.e. arteries.
Put a blob of venous blood alongside a blob of arterial and you'd see the difference.

Those dark blobs on Sheila's arm are, as I say, from her nose ( venous blood ) the blood coming from her neck is arterial, which is a lighter ( oxygenated ) colour as shown on her neck injury. Comparing the two, you can tell.   

[David1819]

Somebody who attended a function for EP or ex EP.  They overheard some former colleagues laughing about how much of a stitch-up the Bamber case was. Sickened by what they heard, they took the decision to study aspects of the case, particularly the very earliest events of 7/8/85.

Did he name anyone?

[Roch]

Did he name anyone?

Not that I can recall.  He was not linked to the case but was around during the era of the case.  He gave me the impression that the police 'family' at that time was still quite an insular, almost parochial set-up, with some nepotism, and an expectation that you towed the line.

[lookout]

" Some nepotism ??" Quite an understatement !