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Offline Roch

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #300 on: September 08, 2019, 03:47:PM »
The neck wound flows have a much higher volume of blood behind them.

I mean, are the flows on her neck darker than the spots they stem from?

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #301 on: September 08, 2019, 03:50:PM »
I mean, are the flows on her neck darker than the spots they stem from?

In some areas

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #302 on: September 08, 2019, 04:43:PM »
Hi Lookout, as per one of the photos above, do you think node bleed drops would congeal exactly where they fell, as well as running?




From the nose, yes Roch. The blood is usually darker at the onset of a severe nose bleed and because they are " drips " coming from smaller orifices they gel after a while after the initial flow.
I can say this in all honesty as I suffered nose-bleeds as a teen. Drips are pretty free-flowing when your head is in a forward position. 

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #303 on: September 08, 2019, 04:47:PM »



From the nose, yes Roch. The blood is usually darker at the onset of a severe nose bleed and because they are " drips " coming from smaller orifices they gel after a while after the initial flow.
I can say this in all honesty as I suffered nose-bleeds as a teen. Drips are pretty free-flowing when your head is in a forward position.

How did blood from her nose materialise on her arm without running down the area above the lips?
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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #304 on: September 08, 2019, 04:51:PM »
Lookout, how can the blood be from her nose when it hasn’t trailed down her face?  The blood from her nose has travelled up to her eye.




The blood came from her nose to her arm before she was lying down. Her head was initially resting against the bedside table meaning that her head would be forward.
Once Sheila was lying down, the blood from her nose would have collected at the back of her throat some trickling down inside her and some coming from her mouth.
When someone is dead they can sometimes have seepage escaping from their mouth.

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #305 on: September 08, 2019, 04:58:PM »
How did blood from her nose materialise on her arm without running down the area above the lips?




If her head was bent forward the blood from her nose would drop as opposed to running down her lips.

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #306 on: September 08, 2019, 05:22:PM »



If her head was bent forward the blood from her nose would drop as opposed to running down her lips.


That sort of instant reaction -if she'd never previously experienced a nosebleed- would have required her to be in control in a way it's being claimed she wasn't.

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #307 on: September 08, 2019, 06:37:PM »



If her head was bent forward the blood from her nose would drop as opposed to running down her lips.

Her head would have to return to a vertical position Lookout. It's not feasible.
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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #308 on: September 08, 2019, 06:42:PM »
Her head would have to return to a vertical position Lookout. It's not feasible.
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This is what I'd already explained/said. That when she was propped against the bedside cabinet, her nose would have bled from the position she was in and with her arm across her middle the blood dripped on it.

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #309 on: September 08, 2019, 06:44:PM »
This is what I'd already explained/said. That when she was propped against the bedside cabinet, her nose would have bled from the position she was in and with her arm across her middle the blood dripped on it.

Propped up or not, she couldn't avoid getting blood above her top lip.
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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #310 on: September 08, 2019, 06:45:PM »
Head bowed outwards, severe nose bleed dropping onto her arm. It drops out of the nose, not gushes.   

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #311 on: September 08, 2019, 06:55:PM »
Going over this yet again, is not going to convince me those blood steaks are wounds.

They look nothing like the actual wounds on Nevils forearm because they are simply not wounds.

They look like runs of blood drops because they are runs of blood drops.

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #312 on: September 08, 2019, 07:27:PM »
Going over this yet again, is not going to convince me those blood steaks are wounds.

They look nothing like the actual wounds on Nevils forearm because they are simply not wounds.

They look like runs of blood drops because they are runs of blood drops.






He did have gouges though caused by fingernails, as did June as well as bloodied fingerprints around her neck.

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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #313 on: September 08, 2019, 07:35:PM »


He did have gouges though caused by fingernails, as did June as well as bloodied fingerprints around her neck.

I did once believe they were caused by fingernails. However when I deciphered Vanezis hand writing I changed my mind. He claims they were caused by the end of the gun barrel

"There is a collection of bruises on right forearm
_____ of end of barrel of rifle
Area of bruising 2"x 4" Slight bruising around elbow"
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Re: so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.
« Reply #314 on: September 09, 2019, 12:38:AM »
I did once believe they were caused by fingernails. However when I deciphered Vanezis hand writing I changed my mind. He claims they were caused by the end of the gun barrel

"There is a collection of bruises on right forearm
_____ of end of barrel of rifle
Area of bruising 2"x 4" Slight bruising around elbow"


You once believed a lot of things - then the wind changes! Did you believe this in your keyed up stage or your naive stage? Hard to tell with you?
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