so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.

[maggie]

Head bowed outwards, severe nose bleed dropping onto her arm. It drops out of the nose, not gushes.

Hi Lookout, good to see you posting again. Surely blood falling from the nose or any other facial wound would splatter where it lands. Can’t see how it would land in such clean perfect drops. 

[lookout]

Hi Lookout, good to see you posting again. Surely blood falling from the nose or any other facial wound would splatter where it lands. Can’t see how it would land in such clean perfect drops.

Hi Maggie, it's good to drop in.
Blood flowing from the nose drops rather than splatters----like those drops/spots we see on the carpet near Sheila, as those could also be from her nose as opposed to a wound which would splatter and leave larger patches. That first shot would have caused her nose to have bled which I think are the spots on the carpet. Because it's the nose and the narrower exits ( nostrils ) it won't cause the same splatter as a wider opening such as the mouth if you see what I mean.

Head bent slightly forward would account for the rows of drips on her arm which ran over her arm as liquid finds its own level wherever it lands. Arm movement would then cause it to run in another direction which is why we see odd lines of direction.

[Roch]

Hi Lookout, good to see you posting again. Surely blood falling from the nose or any other facial wound would splatter where it lands. Can’t see how it would land in such clean perfect drops.

I agree.  David, bear with me - but do you agree that this rules out the blood having dipped on her arm?  If so, this leaves the theory that the blood was transferred from elsewhere, across the lower right of her wrist and on to the forearm, where it abruptly congeals.

[lookout]

Any liquid inc. blood which is dropped from a height will splash---blood that falls/drops from a foot onto a warm surface of the skin tends not to splash and will gel, leaving the liquid part of the blood to run. The blood would have been a pretty dark colour from her nose as it's deoxygenated blood known as venous blood which is why it wouldn't have splashed/splattered everywhere as there's no pressure from a venous bleed as there is from an arterial one where it would splatter.


I think I've got this right, as it's an important part of any investigation as to which area the blood would have come from, though this is a forensic job and not that of a police officer's.   

[Caroline]

Hi Maggie, it's good to drop in.
Blood flowing from the nose drops rather than splatters----like those drops/spots we see on the carpet near Sheila, as those could also be from her nose as opposed to a wound which would splatter and leave larger patches. That first shot would have caused her nose to have bled which I think are the spots on the carpet. Because it's the nose and the narrower exits ( nostrils ) it won't cause the same splatter as a wider opening such as the mouth if you see what I mean.

Head bent slightly forward would account for the rows of drips on her arm which ran over her arm as liquid finds its own level wherever it lands. Arm movement would then cause it to run in another direction which is why we see odd lines of direction.

In order to 'flow' it would have t leave a trail down the upper lip. What you are proposing goes against physics.

[Caroline]

I agree.  David, bear with me - but do you agree that this rules out the blood having dipped on her arm?  If so, this leaves the theory that the blood was transferred from elsewhere, across the lower right of her wrist and on to the forearm, where it abruptly congeals.

I believe it came from the pool of blood in her armpit, if we could see the other side of her arm, I think there will be trials and as her arm has been lifted, the trails have flowed back, causing those in the photograph.

[Caroline]

Any liquid inc. blood which is dropped from a height will splash---blood that falls/drops from a foot onto a warm surface of the skin tends not to splash and will gel, leaving the liquid part of the blood to run. The blood would have been a pretty dark colour from her nose as it's deoxygenated blood known as venous blood which is why it wouldn't have splashed/splattered everywhere as there's no pressure from a venous bleed as there is from an arterial one where it would splatter.


I think I've got this right, as it's an important part of any investigation as to which area the blood would have come from, though this is a forensic job and not that of a police officer's.

There is absolutely so sign of the blood coming from her nose Lookout.

[lookout]

There is absolutely so sign of the blood coming from her nose Lookout.

Initially there would have been, to account for all the blood drops on the carpet surrounding her. The blood from her first neck injury would have gone down the front of her body inside her clothing when briefly standing as opposed to dripping freely on the floor.

[Caroline]

Initially there would have been, to account for all the blood drops on the carpet surrounding her. The blood from her first neck injury would have gone down the front of her body inside her clothing when briefly standing as opposed to dripping freely on the floor.

OK, Lookout, no point arguing. You have your own ideas - sorry, don't share them.

[lookout]

OK, Lookout, no point arguing. You have your own ideas - sorry, don't share them.

That's fine, I don't expect you to at all.

[Jane]

Initially there would have been, to account for all the blood drops on the carpet surrounding her. The blood from her first neck injury would have gone down the front of her body inside her clothing when briefly standing as opposed to dripping freely on the floor.

'Course, if the impact of the shot caused her head to loll in one direction it would alter the course of the blood flow...............rather like damming a river.

[David1819]

I agree.  David, bear with me - but do you agree that this rules out the blood having dipped on her arm?  If so, this leaves the theory that the blood was transferred from elsewhere, across the lower right of her wrist and on to the forearm, where it abruptly congeals.

What happened is exactly what happened on this wall. The blood landed, it then ran down until the blob lost momentum leaving a trail behind it.

[Caroline]

What happened is exactly what happened on this wall. The blood landed, it then ran down until the blob lost momentum leaving a trail behind it.

Stop trying to play forensic expert - it's your OPINION of what happened. You're NOT qualified to make such definite claims - fool!

[David1819]

What happened is exactly what happened on this wall. The blood landed, it then ran down until the blob lost momentum leaving a trail behind it.

I would still like to know who told Roch in March of 2017 that these runs of blood are actually scratches and gouge marks caused by an altercation.

IMO its a ludicrous suggestion to make.

[Caroline]

I would still like to know who told Roch in March of 2017 that these runs of blood are actually scratches and gouge marks caused by an altercation.

IMO its a ludicrous suggestion to make.

It's a discussion forum where people have all kinds of opinions, it's NOT David's fiefdom where everyone has to share his thoughts (heaven forbid!).