so wheres this forensic breakthrough then.

[David1819]

What I am interested in trying to understand is the exact difference between yours and Caroline's opinion on these marks.

The marks on the arm or the marks on the dress?

[Roch]

The marks on the arm or the marks on the dress?

Marks on the arm

[David1819]

Marks on the arm

As far as I know we both have the same view. They are trickles of blood drops from the gunshot wound to the neck.

[Roch]

As far as I know we both have the same view. They are trickles of blood drops from the gunshot wound to the neck.

Blood drops on underside of wrist and then splits in to three or four separate streams that suddenly stop and congeal.  Is this what you mean?

[Caroline]

Blood drops on underside of wrist and then splits in to three or four separate streams that suddenly stop and congeal.  Is this what you mean?

Yes.

[David1819]

Blood drops on underside of wrist and then splits in to three or four separate streams that suddenly stop and congeal.  Is this what you mean?

Or four five blobs that land on the forearm and start running with gravity. Does not need to be a big blob that split up.

[Roch]

Or four five blobs that land on the forearm and start running with gravity. Does not need to be a big blob that split up.

Hang on though David.  We cant just have the flows running in either direction - like an and / or scenario. The dark spots cant be both the end of the trail were blood suddenly congeals and also the beginning of the trail were blood has initially dropped on to the arm.   

[Caroline]

Hang on though David.  We cant just have the flows running in either direction - like an and / or scenario. The dark spots cant be both the end of the trail were blood suddenly congeals and also the beginning of the trail were blood has initially dropped on to the arm.   

Well, told you my own thoughts, like I said, it would be useful to have some pictures of the inside of her arm.

[lookout]

I think those blood drops were from her nose, as they've landed in a complete line on top of her arm and because liquid runs downwards it's run down both sides of her arm------not a difficult thing to work out really being as her arms were slim. Maybe if she'd had a thicker arm the blood might have just run one way.

Blood coming from the nose is a continual drip-drip motion and landing on the top centre of her arm made the 7 streaks possible, running down either side.

[Roch]

I think those blood drops were from her nose, as they've landed in a complete line on top of her arm and because liquid runs downwards it's run down both sides of her arm------not a difficult thing to work out really being as her arms were slim. Maybe if she'd had a thicker arm the blood might have just run one way.

Blood coming from the nose is a continual drip-drip motion and landing on the top centre of her arm made the 7 streaks possible, running down either side.

Hi Lookout, as per one of the photos above, do you think node bleed drops would congeal exactly where they fell, as well as running?

[David1819]

Hang on though David.  We cant just have the flows running in either direction - like an and / or scenario. The dark spots cant be both the end of the trail were blood suddenly congeals and also the beginning of the trail were blood has initially dropped on to the arm.   

The dark spots is where the blood ended. Not where they began.

[Roch]

The dark spots is where the blood ended. Not where they began.

From the faintness of the trails, they seem to have ended very thickly.  Contrast this theory with the neck wound flows.

[maggie]

Hi Lookout, as per one of the photos above, do you think node bleed drops would congeal exactly where they fell, as well as running?

Hi Roch it is quite possible imo that the dark spots could be gouges.

[David1819]

From the faintness of the trails, they seem to have ended very thickly.  Contrast this theory with the neck wound flows.

The neck wound flows have a much higher volume of blood behind them.

[Caroline]

I think those blood drops were from her nose, as they've landed in a complete line on top of her arm and because liquid runs downwards it's run down both sides of her arm------not a difficult thing to work out really being as her arms were slim. Maybe if she'd had a thicker arm the blood might have just run one way.

Blood coming from the nose is a continual drip-drip motion and landing on the top centre of her arm made the 7 streaks possible, running down either side.

Lookout, how can the blood be from her nose when it hasn’t trailed down her face?  The blood from her nose has travelled up to her eye.