A question.

[Caroline]

I know I'm splitting hairs, here, Buddy, but is 'knowing' about someone's intention and perhaps feeling "Yeah yeah! Here we go again" the same thing as FEELING "Oh my God, he's really serious about this"? Just how DEEPLY aware was she of his intentions. I'm having difficulty in getting my head round how I'd have believed, at 20, that the guy I was in love with was capable of murdering ONE person, let alone 5.

But there is no getting away from the fact that she did supply the pills.

[buddy]

I know I'm splitting hairs, here, Buddy, but is 'knowing' about someone's intention and perhaps feeling "Yeah yeah! Here we go again" the same thing as FEELING "Oh my God, he's really serious about this"? Just how DEEPLY aware was she of his intentions. I'm having difficulty in getting my head round how I'd have believed, at 20, that the guy I was in love with was capable of murdering ONE person, let alone 5.

At 20 I am sure you knew right from  wrong Jane. Turn it on it's head Jane and consider the points I am trying to make.

[Jane]

But there is no getting away from the fact that she did supply the pills.

At 20 I am sure you knew right from  wrong Jane. Turn it on it's head Jane and consider the points I am trying to make.

Yes, you're both absolutely right. Torn as I'd have been, I'd have had to walk away. Had Julie done that it may not have been as difficult for her to spill the beans. But she has to live with that.

[David1819]

You make some valid points Jane, but the fact remains that she supplied the pills knowing of the plan.
I think I speak for all that they would not have complied with Jeremy's request.
The fact that she went along with the plan means she aided or abetted with Bamber.
This means she was fully aware of his intentions, and should have been charged IMO.
Much has been made of her vunurability but she was not.

Charging Julie would not work. She is not going to send herself in jail on her own vindictive nonsense.

If charges were brought then she would defend herself by admitting she was lying. The punishment for wasting police time is far less severe than being an accomplice to five murders.

[buddy]

Charging Julie would not work. She is not going to send herself in jail on her own vindictive nonsense.

If charges were brought then she would defend herself by admitting she was lying. The punishment for wasting police time is far less severe than being an accomplice to five murders.

IMO that is cobblers David. She ADMITTED involvement.

[Adam]

OK time to come clean Who said I supplied Jeremy with sleeping pills in order to kill his entire family?
He said they did not work and had changed his mind, as there were valuables that he didn't want to destroy. The idea being to burn down the farm.
Now the same question, was that aiding or abetting a criminal action.
I think the answer is yes.

Come clean ? I spotted this was about Julie a mile off. But didn't post as you would deny it.

You were not referring to Mike's hit man team theory and it's no secret you blame the relatives, Julie & the police for everything.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8592.msg409816.html#msg409816

This has been discussed before. The police could have attempted to get a 3 month suspended sentance on Julie. For withholding information for a month.

However the police looked at the big picture & wanted their main witness to be a committed witness in a 5x murder trial. Has anyone ever heard of a main prosecution witness being a 'hostile' witness ?

[buddy]

Come clean ? I spotted this was about Julie a mile off. But didn't post as you would deny it.

You were not referring to Mike's hit man team theory and it's no secret you blame the relatives, Julie & the police for everything.

I don't deny anything Adam. It is a FACT that Julie knew of the plan.
The fact that you are madly in love with Mugford changes nothing.

[Adam]

I don't deny anything Adam. It is a FACT that Julie knew of the plan.
The fact that you are madly in love with Mugford changes nothing.

She knew what Bamber was telling her. But didn't think he would do anything. There had not been any recent incidents in Essex of a man shooting his mother, father, sister & nephews.

I don't see how that makes her an accomplice.

[David1819]

IMO that is cobblers David. She ADMITTED involvement.

Oh dear... Buddy. You buy into Carolines blatant baloney and now this?

Sorry but I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

[Adam]

People know about the sleeping pills because Julie told the police and put it in her witness statement. Bamber when interviewed said he knew Julie had these pills.

[Steve_uk]

Let's leave aside the reason Julie gave for having the sleeping pills in her possession (I would have told her Siberian ginseng worked better for me but then I wasn't an insomniac), but I can't help but compare this to the Lizzie Borden case (though Julie is far prettier I'm sure David will dredge up some physical resemblance). The reason I bring up the Falls River, Massachusetts murders in 1892 was that Ms. Borden had attempted to buy prussic acid the day before the murders, but at trial this was deemed inadmissible because it was too remote from the actual manner of deaths (bludgeoning with a hatchet) and I can't see how it would be relevant in the Bamber case either.

Given that both Lizzie and Jeremy lived in a dysfunctional family, they both had a history of minor theft and stealing from their family, they both felt as if the world was passing them by and there was the temptation of a large inheritance upon their parents' demise, I'm surprised the parallels haven't been remarked upon heretofore.

Of course Lizzie Borden got off..

[nugnug]

that staement is rather odd as none of the victems had been drugged.

it doesnt really make he an acomplice becouse it dident happen.

[Adam]

Bamber confirmed to the police he knew about the sleeping pills.

Bamber also told Chris Marsden in December 1984 - 'If the house burnt down with everyone inside,  everything would be mine. This supports Julie's WS.

[Jane]

That he even remotely thought it possible to drug 5 people to the stage that they'd burn to death suggests the idea may have been no more than fantasy.