Author Topic: Did a man called 'Jeff Blake' kill the family?  (Read 2750 times)

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Re: Did a man called 'Jeff Blake' kill the family?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 10:58:AM »
ie neer heard of him before.

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Re: Did a man called 'Jeff Blake' kill the family?
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2018, 07:44:AM »
If he did then how does the phone call fit in? It would mean that Neville said he not she and that would mean the scene would probably not been staged as a suicide as has been claimed .

When Neville Bamber called police as per the 3.26am phone call log, he specifically referred to 'my daughter', ect...

This call was made after Neville had made a brief call to Jeremy (around 3.25am), where Neville could have, or did say to Jeremy, 'Sheila has', or 'she has', or 'he has' - 'got the gun and is going crazy'...

If this is the correct sequence of the events, i.e. (a) Neville phoned Jeremy, followed by (b) Neville contacting the police at 3.26am, and then (c) Jeremy tried to call Neville back but kept getting a constant 'engaged tone', and that (d) Jeremy tried contacting Witham police station without success, so at (e) Jeremy called Julie Mugford' (3.30am), and he told her 'there's something wrong at the farm', and she responded by telling Jeremy to 'go back to bed', and that thereafter, (f) Jeremy himself contacted PC West at Chelmsford police station at 3.36am, informing him that he had received a frantic telephone call from his father telling Jeremy that 'Sheila has got the gun', and that she was 'going crazy', etc - there is room here for the involvement of another person in addition to Sheila in these shootings, since, at (a) this could have been reference to a man ('he has'), or as the case may be, reference to another woman ('she has'). Whilst at (b) Neville Bamber was clearly relating to 'my daughter has got hold of one of my guns', and 'daughter gone berserk'. The failure of Jeremy to re-establish contact with his father at (c), and Witham police station at (d), and by all accounts and by the time at (e) he called Julie Mugford', that Jeremy himself must have been confused regarding what his father at (a) had said 5 minutes earlier, because all he says to Julie Mugford' at (e) was that 'there's something wrong at the farm', he didn't for example say to Julie Mugford' at the time of his call to her (e) that his father had said, 'this', 'that', or 'the other'. Then at (f) Jeremy is telling PC West that his father had told him, 'Sheila has got the gun' - I can't see how everyone, or anyone, can say with 100% certainty that all these references at (a), (b), (c), (d), (e) and (f), related to one individual alone, be it 'Sheila has', 'she has, or 'he has'...

It's possible, for example, that at (a) Neville Bamber could have been referring to his wife, June Bamber, as having 'got the gun', and that by the time Neville called police at (b) 3.25am, that the seriousness of the situation had worsened and now 'my daughter has got hold of one of my guns', and, 'daughter gone berserk'. This would be true, or could have been true, from Neville Bambers perspective at the hub of real time activity back inside the farmhouse...

Jeremy's account at (f) is open to interpretation - whereas, in Neville Bambers accounts at (a) and (b) he was expressing what had been, and was happening in real time around him!

The real issue, was whether or not, the sequence of the various phone calls (a) and (b) took place, or occurred, prior to other calls, or attempted calls made at (c), (d), (e) and (f)?

I believe there are very strong grounds for accepting that 'this sequence of events' as alluded to here, is a true record of all of these calls, in one form or another...
« Last Edit: January 13, 2018, 08:07:AM by mike tesko »
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