ESSEX BOYS MURDERS

[Lucy522]

Are they any in depth books about the case that any of you have read and can suggest?

Mat, muscle is a good one by Carlton leach or if you can Google Bernard o Mahoney his site has all the police statements etc

[Lucy522]

Pat Tate may have been planning to kill Steele weeks or months before the murders due to other bad business dealings. However on the massacre night Tate liked Steele.

Steele had approached Tate with his proposal regarding the made up drug deal. Tate then liked Steele as he thought Steele was going to make him rich. But Steele was just setting his trap. 

The 'Rise of the foot soldier' film says that Tate was planning to double cross Steele over the drugs deal,  kill him & take all the money. That is probably something the film made up, but I wouldn't put it past Tate & Tucker. I doubt that Tate's girlfriend told Steele that.

Tates girlfriend was sleeping with Steele wasn't She?
Nothing more dangerous to a gangster than their women with their pillow talk

[Lucy522]

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/5gjqka/bernard-omahoney-why-im-finally-telling-the-truth-about-the-britains-most-notorious-gangland-murder

[Adam]

Tates girlfriend was sleeping with Steele wasn't She?
Nothing more dangerous to a gangster than their women with their pillow talk

If you have a source for that it would explain why Tate's girlfriend may tell Steele that.

However I'm not sure why Tate would tell his girlfriend he was planning to double cross & kill someone. Had Tate never heard of Julie Mugford ? Something that sinister would be kept between Tate, Tucker & maybe Rolfe.

[Lucy522]

If you have a source for that it would explain why Tate's girlfriend may tell Steele that.

However I'm not sure why Tate would tell his girlfriend he was planning to double cross & kill someone. Had Tate never heard of Julie Mugford ? Something that sinister would be kept between Tate, Tucker & maybe Rolfe.

It's in the film, I can't see why it would be made up,
Tate was a violent bully she probably thought he was either talking crap or it was just day to day life with him,

[Lucy522]

thanks justice,the ground is awesome i hope they can stay up this season.yes carlton leach was tuckers very good friend theres a photo of them 2 in they prime one on each side of the boxer nigel benn they were his minders. i dont think is was one of the firm otherwise he wouldnt be here now.glad you mentioned him justice as he also thinks steele n whomes are the killers.tucker was a smart criminal buying a £250.000 house in early 90s the biggest mistake he made was making friends with tate.also tucker had a successful business supplying bounces to night clubs and supplying the drugs at the clubs

Justice Carlton leaches book "muscle' is a good one on this topic, he seems to be the closest survivor

[sami]

Pat Tate may have been planning to kill Steele weeks or months before the murders due to other bad business dealings. However on the massacre night Tate liked Steele.

Steele had approached Tate with his proposal regarding the made up drug deal. Tate then liked Steele as he thought Steele was going to make him rich. But Steele was just setting his trap. 

The 'Rise of the foot soldier' film says that Tate was planning to double cross Steele over the drugs deal,  kill him & take all the money. That is probably something the film made up, but I wouldn't put it past Tate & Tucker. I doubt that Tate's girlfriend told Steele that.

have you seen essex boys adam,i think the film is more closer to the truth than any of the others,imo

[guest7363]

Justice Carlton leaches book "muscle' is a good one on this topic, he seems to be the closest survivor

Going to check em out and the films, got a long weekend off this weekend Lucy 

[sami]

If you have a source for that it would explain why Tate's girlfriend may tell Steele that.

However I'm not sure why Tate would tell his girlfriend he was planning to double cross & kill someone. Had Tate never heard of Julie Mugford ? Something that sinister would be kept between Tate, Tucker & maybe Rolfe.

it may have been that when tate beat her and humiliated her she ran to steele and his partner for support the two couples did share time together before all blew up.tates girlfriend warning micky is in her police statement which was on o'mahony's site .tate was goading her as to what will be happening to micky

[Adam]

It's in the film, I can't see why it would be made up,
Tate was a violent bully she probably thought he was either talking crap or it was just day to day life with him,

The film early on shows Tate threatening Steele over a dud consignment of drugs. However Steele then invited Tate & Tucker to join his fake cocaine deal & got them onside. 

There is certainly no scene in 'Rise of the foot solider' where Steele is informed he is about to be double crossed over the cocaine deal.

[Adam]

have you seen essex boys adam,i think the film is more closer to the truth than any of the others,imo

Is that with Sean Bean ? Is Bean supposed to be Pat Tate in that ?

'Rise of the foot solider' is good.

[Lucy522]

The film early on shows Tate threatening Steele over a dud consignment of drugs. However Steele then invited Tate & Tucker to join his fake cocaine deal & got them onside. 

There is certainly no scene in 'Rise of the foot solider' where Steele is informed he is about to be double crossed over the cocaine deal.

Steele was well aware of what they were up to,

Keep your enemies close Adam as the saying goes

[sami]

Is that with Sean Bean ? Is Bean supposed to be Pat Tate in that ?

'Rise of the foot solider' is good.

yes adam its sean bean,he plays tate well i urge you watch it  good film

[Lucy522]

it may have been that when tate beat her and humiliated her she ran to steele and his partner for support the two couples did share time together before all blew up.tates girlfriend warning micky is in her police statement which was on o'mahony's site .tate was goading her as to what will be happening to micky

Because tate knew they were banging, I think she may of thought Steele could protect her against tate

[sami]

whomes excuse for being at the wheatsheaf pub and the phone call was he was picking up darrens broken down car,hence in 4 seconds he says (darren ive got your car iam taking it back to the garage.also the shotgun found was not the murder weapon.the  shotgun or shotgun's have never been found