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« Reply #75 on: November 29, 2017, 06:38:AM »
Its not scary is it Lucy?  I get frightened looking at myself in the mirror.

No it's very gruesome at the end though, they don't sugar coat it all,

Sami, I think the one with 3 endings is bonded by blood but I can't remember if it's that or Essex boys,
I was so shocked at what bullies they are though, they nearly killed that man for talking to tates missus overdosing him with cocaine and leaving him on the front garden, o read he ended up needing in patient therapy because it messes him up so much,
I guess karma really did come and bite them on the arse

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« Reply #76 on: November 29, 2017, 09:39:AM »
No it's very gruesome at the end though, they don't sugar coat it all,

Sami, I think the one with 3 endings is bonded by blood but I can't remember if it's that or Essex boys,
I was so shocked at what bullies they are though, they nearly killed that man for talking to tates missus overdosing him with cocaine and leaving him on the front garden, o read he ended up needing in patient therapy because it messes him up so much,
I guess karma really did come and bite them on the arse
Very Well said Lucy.

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« Reply #77 on: November 29, 2017, 04:33:PM »
The Essex Boys murders,
Are the right men in prison?
I don't think they are.

The evidence against them is rather solid.


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« Reply #78 on: November 29, 2017, 04:39:PM »
From a super grass.

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« Reply #79 on: November 29, 2017, 04:52:PM »
From a super grass.

There is a lot more to it than that. I will explain later.

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« Reply #80 on: November 29, 2017, 05:29:PM »
There is a lot more to it than that. I will explain later.

David,  interested to hear what you have to say about it,

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« Reply #81 on: November 29, 2017, 05:29:PM »
From a super grass.
My thoughts exactly

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« Reply #82 on: November 29, 2017, 05:56:PM »
agreed darren is a supergrass who should have got a 5 for cannabis he was caught with,but its not just his word that links the 2 to the murders,theres donna jagger rolfs girlfriend in a police statment that craig told her he was going to look at a landing site with (micky)and the boys,cell masts records prove whomes was in the area the time of the murders.tates girlfriend telling police in her statment that she had told micky,what tate was saying was going to happen to him (micky is going up north and never coming back.i would like to add darren was a young man who chose to leave everthing he new and loved in the area where he grew up.him and his wife can never go back to essex to see loved one's friends family for fear of death.they have been given new id's but not a blank cheque no monthly payments from police they have to work.having done bird myself i dont know many criminals who would give all that up to avoid a 5yr sentence of which darren would probably have done 3 with remission.he was in fear of his life
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« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2017, 05:59:PM »
Are they any in depth books about the case that any of you have read and can suggest?

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« Reply #84 on: November 29, 2017, 06:12:PM »
Are they any in depth books about the case that any of you have read and can suggest?
mat theres been so many including films.brenard o mahony's site was the place i would recommend full of police statements unedited photo's of the bodies and crime seen photos but its not on the web anymore.ive not read any books just watched the films on the matter.essex boys imo is the best film to watch.maybe lucy can recommend which book to read.iam not really a bookworm

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« Reply #85 on: November 29, 2017, 07:44:PM »
mat theres been so many including films.brenard o mahony's site was the place i would recommend full of police statements unedited photo's of the bodies and crime seen photos but its not on the web anymore.ive not read any books just watched the films on the matter.essex boys imo is the best film to watch.maybe lucy can recommend which book to read.iam not really a bookworm
Its been amazing Sami reading your posts on this, love it mate, Lucy has started a good topic here. What did this Carlton Leach have to do with them, I’ve read he’s the only surviving member and he’s become a actor/author now?  He’s a West Ham fan I think as well Sami, I was outside their ground the other week, it’s amazing around there, my son doesn’t live far from that area.

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« Reply #86 on: November 29, 2017, 08:00:PM »
Its been amazing Sami reading your posts on this, love it mate, Lucy has started a good topic here. What did this Carlton Leach have to do with them, I’ve read he’s the only surviving member and he’s become a actor/author now?  He’s a West Ham fan I think as well Sami, I was outside their ground the other week, it’s amazing around there, my son doesn’t live far from that area.
thanks justice,the ground is awesome i hope they can stay up this season.yes carlton leach was tuckers very good friend theres a photo of them 2 in they prime one on each side of the boxer nigel benn they were his minders. i dont think is was one of the firm otherwise he wouldnt be here now.glad you mentioned him justice as he also thinks steele n whomes are the killers.tucker was a smart criminal buying a £250.000 house in early 90s the biggest mistake he made was making friends with tate.also tucker had a successful business supplying bounces to night clubs and supplying the drugs at the clubs
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« Reply #87 on: November 29, 2017, 08:09:PM »
thanks justice,the ground is awesome i hope they can stay up this season.yes carlton leach was tuckers very good friend theres a photo of them 2 in they prime one on each side of the boxer nigel benn they were his minders. i dont think is was one of the firm otherwise he wouldnt be here now.glad you mentioned him justice as he also thinks steele n whomes are the killers.tucker was a smart criminal buying a £250.000 house in early 90s the biggest mistake he made was making friends with tate.also tucker had a successful business supplying bounces to night clubs and supplying the drugs at the clubs
Thanks Sami, yes the ground looks great, you can walk from my sons house along Canal, had my picture took outside for son in law, he’s West Ham crazy.

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« Reply #88 on: November 29, 2017, 08:31:PM »
There is a lot more to it than that. I will explain later.

David,  interested to hear what you have to say about it,

Darren Nicholls never actually testified that Steele and Whomes committed the murders. What he did say is that he drove them to a location near Rettendon and later received a phone call from Wholmes on his mobile to pick them up somewhere nearby.

This is all corroborated by the cell tower evidence and call times recorded by the telecom provider.

Whomes made calls to Tucker and Tate on the day of the murders.

Patricks girlfriend called him on his mobile shortly before the murders. Nicholls knew of this phone call from overhearing a conversation between Steele and Wholmes after the murders.

Not long after that phone call ended Jack Whomes mobile called Nicholls mobile. According to Nicholls. Whomes said "pick us up" this is corroborated by the telecom records showing the call was four seconds long.

Not long before the murders Patricks girlfriend told Steele that he was planning to kill him.

Nicholls also testified that when he picked them up they were both wearing gloves had guns and were also out of breath.

Police recovered a pump action shotgun at Steels address also.

When first presented with the telecom evidence, Steele and Whomes gave no explanation for them. Once all the details were released to the defence suddenly Whomes decided he was in the Wheatsheaf pub more or less down the road from the crime scene at workhouse lane. At the time of the murders.  ::)

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« Reply #89 on: November 29, 2017, 08:51:PM »
Darren Nicholls never actually testified that Steele and Whomes committed the murders. What he did say is that he drove them to a location near Rettendon and later received a phone call from Wholmes on his mobile to pick them up somewhere nearby.

This is all corroborated by the cell tower evidence and call times recorded by the telecom provider.

Whomes made calls to Tucker and Tate on the day of the murders.

Patricks girlfriend called him on his mobile shortly before the murders. Nicholls knew of this phone call from overhearing a conversation between Steele and Wholmes after the murders.

Not long after that phone call ended Jack Whomes mobile called Nicholls mobile. According to Nicholls. Whomes said "pick us up" this is corroborated by the telecom records showing the call was four seconds long.

Not long before the murders Patricks girlfriend told Steele that he was planning to kill him.

Nicholls also testified that when he picked them up they were both wearing gloves had guns and were also out of breath.

Police recovered a pump action shotgun at Steels address also.

When first presented with the telecom evidence, Steele and Whomes gave no explanation for them. Once all the details were released to the defence suddenly Whomes decided he was in the Wheatsheaf pub more or less down the road from the crime scene at workhouse lane. At the time of the murders.  ::)


Pat Tate may have been planning to kill Steele weeks or months before the murders due to other bad business dealings. However on the massacre night Tate liked Steele. 

Steele had approached Tate with his proposal regarding the made up drug deal. Tate then liked Steele as he thought Steele was going to make him rich. But Steele was just setting his trap.  

The 'Rise of the foot soldier' film says that Tate was planning to double cross Steele over the drugs deal,  kill him & take all the money. That is probably something the film made up, but I wouldn't put it past Tate & Tucker. I doubt that Tate's girlfriend told Steele that.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.