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Offline Adam

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #285 on: October 16, 2017, 08:30:PM »
Her estate apparently was 1.25 million - a vast sum in 1985 ...

Plenty of motive for Robert to get her to change her will on her deathbed - which he did do ...

Is that what Bamber would have inherited. Together with 435k & several properties.

No wonder Bamber didn't step onto a tractor post 7th August 1985.
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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #286 on: October 16, 2017, 08:32:PM »

I think it's highly likely that once Jeremy was free of all restraints, the farm and all those connected to it ceased to exist.He was young, carefree, and RICH. Nowhere he couldn't go. Nothing he couldn't do. Nothing he couldn't have. Heady thought, eh?

I am sure you are right ...

But do you agree with Adam's ill thought out assertion that this points to Jeremy being guilty ?

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« Reply #287 on: October 16, 2017, 08:33:PM »
DNA was found later - not at the time because they couldn't find it then. DNA was found and there was a strong possibility that it was June's DNA. Male DNA was also found. Sheila's DNA was not found.
That's not strictly true, as 17 markers were found consistent with Sheila, following her birth mother giving her DNA and blood sample to authorities.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #288 on: October 16, 2017, 08:34:PM »
I am sure you are right ...

But do you agree with Adam's ill thought out assertion that this points to Jeremy being guilty ?
I don't see the point you're trying to make.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #289 on: October 16, 2017, 08:35:PM »
Is that what Bamber would have inherited. Together with 435k & several properties.

No wonder Bamber didn't step onto a tractor post 7th August 1985.

Do you get it now Adam ?

He was RICH ...

Rich people travel and go on holiday all the time Adam ...

It is very normal behaviour for rich people ...

Why would he want to drive a tractor or work in a mc donald's or a car wash ?

I am glad you get it now Adam ...

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #290 on: October 16, 2017, 08:36:PM »
Had he not been convicted and Mabel Speakman not altered her will I assume he might have been in line for half her estate. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/killer-s-greed-over-claim-for-163-1-3m-1-2524887

I think that's probably right, Steve. Jeremy was June's next of kin, but whilst she was living, he wasn't Mabel Speakman's next of kin. She was entitled to leave her own money to whomsoever she chose.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #291 on: October 16, 2017, 08:39:PM »
I am sure you are right ...

But do you agree with Adam's ill thought out assertion that this points to Jeremy being guilty ?

Certainly, "This", in my opinion, is what Jeremy was prepared to kill for, although "this" alone doesn't automatically point to his guilt.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #292 on: October 16, 2017, 08:39:PM »
Do you get it now Adam ?

He was RICH ...

Rich people travel and go on holiday all the time Adam ...

It is very normal behaviour for rich people ...

Why would he want to drive a tractor or work in a mc donald's or a car wash ?

I am glad you get it now Adam ...

Yes, Brett & other buddies quickly joined Bamber. Julie had been whisked over to WHF at 5am in the morning.

It was time to go on 6 holidays in one month, party & buy cannabis. After chatting to the police & his accountant first of course.
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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #293 on: October 16, 2017, 08:44:PM »
That's not strictly true, as 17 markers were found consistent with Sheila, following her birth mother giving her DNA and blood sample to authorities.

Fair enough, but nobody could say for sure that Sheila's DNA was in there.


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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #294 on: October 16, 2017, 08:44:PM »
It's a pity Bamber did decide to party & travel non stop straight after his mother, father, sister & 2 nephews had been massacred.

Half of EP, the relatives & experts commenced an industrial frame as soon as his back was turned.

Unlucky for Bamber.
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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #295 on: October 16, 2017, 08:48:PM »
Certainly, "This", in my opinion, is what Jeremy was prepared to kill for, although "this" alone doesn't automatically point to his guilt.

It highlights a motive - money.

His post massacre jolly ups were brought up at trial. The prosecution supporting their motive.
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« Reply #296 on: October 16, 2017, 08:49:PM »
That's not strictly true, as 17 markers were found consistent with Sheila, following her birth mother giving her DNA and blood sample to authorities.

Were these 17 markers in the silencer blood ?
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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #297 on: October 16, 2017, 09:06:PM »
Were these 17 markers in the silencer blood ?

I don't think they could tell if it was from blood or not.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #298 on: October 16, 2017, 09:08:PM »

I think it's highly likely that once Jeremy was free of all restraints, the farm and all those connected to it ceased to exist.He was young, carefree, and RICH. Nowhere he couldn't go. Nothing he couldn't do. Nothing he couldn't have. Heady thought, eh?
But still haunted deep down by the memories of those blissful early years, gone forever and now impossible to re-enact, before the banishment to Gresham's and the onset of mother's illness, dad's moroseness engendered by Diana's death and Sheila possessed by the Devil, from which Jeremy first shrank.

If only he could go back, return to those simpler times and pleasures, when he was not labelled a failure at school, was not pushed to produce more on the Farm, impress Nevill's cronies or understand the nature of mental illness. Restore the Farm as it was, with mum, dad and two burgeoning children, their milk teeth placed under the pillow replaced with a sixpence in the morning, a morning he now urged would repeat as he asked Pamela for those mementoes, averting his eyes as he stared simultaneously into the abyss of his own diablerie.

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Re: mugford rwb and the order of death.
« Reply #299 on: October 16, 2017, 09:09:PM »
I am 100% convinced David knew that the silencer was a set up - there is a slight chance he did not find out until after the trial - but his not "remembering" which box he found it in virtually rules that out for me though ...

I am 100% convinced David has a guilty conscience about that silencer ...

I think you could be proven right on that score.