mugford rwb and the order of death.

[Steve_uk]

Do you have a source for that please ?

It's documented in Chapter 31 of CAL's book.

[sherlock]

It's documented in Chapter 31 of CAL's book.

I will check it out - and the source used for the book - thank you ...

[Steve_uk]

Typically Adam when you have no answers to the points raised you change the topic ...

Do you think Jeremy should have :

a) stayed at the Farm ?

b) stayed in his cottage ?

c) took some holidays to get his mind off the tragedy ?

What would you have actually done in his situation Adam ?

Where exactly would you have stayed in that month or so ?

I would have done exactly what Jeremy did - and it was also in line with his new and short lived status as a wealthy man ...

There isn't really an answer to the question Kaldin asked you, about ways of getting June's DNA into the silencer, and why that would be necessary.

[Adam]

Typically Adam when you have no answers to the points raised you change the topic ...

Do you think Jeremy should have :

a) stayed at the Farm ?

b) stayed in his cottage ?

c) took some holidays to get his mind off the tragedy ?

What would you have actually done in his situation Adam ?

Where exactly would you have stayed in that month or so ?

I would have done exactly what Jeremy did - and it was also in line with his new and short lived status as a wealthy man ...

Nothing wrong with taking 6 holidays within a month of you're family  being massacred. 

I understand a splendid time was had by all. 

[sherlock]

There isn't really an answer to the question Kaldin asked you, about ways of getting June's DNA into the silencer, and why that would be necessary.

No DNA was found - only blood ...

It has not been established 100% that it was human blood ....

Somebody put some blood in that silencer to make it look like it had been used ....

Whose blood it was and how it was added to the silencer we simply cannot be sure ...

Or do you see the blood evidence differently to that ?

[Adam]

It's documented in Chapter 31 of CAL's book.

I don't know how anyone would expect Bamber to inherit from his grandmother.

However if everyone else was dead.....

[Adam]

No DNA was found - only blood ...

It has not been established 100% that it was human blood ....

Somebody put some blood in that silencer to make it look like it had been used ....

Whose blood it was and how it was added to the silencer we simply cannot be sure ...

Or do you see the blood evidence differently to that ?

It was human blood. And Sheila's.

Sheila received a contact shot & there was no blood on the rifle end. Bamber would use the silencer for the massacre.

RB sneeking around trying to frame an innocent man of killing his family 

[sherlock]

Nothing wrong with taking 6 holidays within a month of you're family  being massacred. 

I understand a splendid time was had by all.

Answer my question Adam ...

Where EXACTLY would you have stayed in that time ?

a) the farm ?

b) his cottage ?

What would you have actually done in his situation Adam ?

Where exactly would you have stayed in that month or so ?


You simply have not thought it through have you Adam ?

He would not want to live at the farm would he ? obviously not !!!

He would not want to live in the cottage on his own - and do what ?  obviously not !!!

So he needed some where new to live - obviously !!!!!

He was suddenly rich - and as we know he loved travelling (like most of us do)

So why not go on holiday ?

Like I say on this point you simply have not thought it through from Jeremy's point of view based on the situation he was in - have you Aadam ?

Anyway answer my question :

Where exactly would you have stayed in that month or so ?

Come on Adam I am interested in your answer ....

[Adam]

It's documented in Chapter 31 of CAL's book.

How much would Bamber have inherited from Mable Speakman.  After the massacre ?

The amount of 435k is banded about a lot regarding Nevill & June.

However it seems like it would have been a lot more for Bamber. 

[sherlock]

How much would Bamber have inherited from Mable Speakman.  After the massacre ?

The amount of 435k is banded about a lot. However it seems like it would have been a lot more.

Her estate apparently was 1.25 million - a vast sum in 1985 ...

Plenty of motive for Robert to get her to change her will on her deathbed - which he did do ...

[Kaldin]

No DNA was found - only blood ...

It has not been established 100% that it was human blood ....

Somebody put some blood in that silencer to make it look like it had been used ....

Whose blood it was and how it was added to the silencer we simply cannot be sure ...

Or do you see the blood evidence differently to that ?

DNA was found later - not at the time because they couldn't find it then. DNA was found and there was a strong possibility that it was June's DNA. Male DNA was also found. Sheila's DNA was not found.

[Adam]

Answer my question Adam ...

Where EXACTLY would you have stayed in that time ?

a) the farm ?

b) his cottage ?

What would you have actually done in his situation Adam ?

Where exactly would you have stayed in that month or so ?


You simply have not thought it through have you Adam ?

He would not want to live at the farm would he ? obviously not !!!

He would not want to live in the cottage on his own - and do what ?  obviously not !!!

So he needed some where new to live - obviously !!!!!

He was suddenly rich - and as we know he loved travelling (like most of us do)

So why not go on holiday ?

Like I say on this point you simply have not thought it through from Jeremy's point of view based on the situation he was in - have you Aadam ?

Anyway answer my question :

Where exactly would you have stayed in that month or so ?

Come on Adam I am interested in your answer ....

Unfortunately the police don't agree with you. As his antics made them suspicious.

But appreciate you will justify his actions. As 'you have 'solved the case at last'.

To be fair to Bamber, he didn't go on his first jolly up until he had chatted to the police & his accountant.

[Steve_uk]

How much would Bamber have inherited from Mable Speakman.  After the massacre ?

The amount of 435k is banded about a lot regarding Nevill & June.

However it seems like it would have been a lot more for Bamber.

Had he not been convicted and Mabel Speakman not altered her will I assume he might have been in line for half her estate. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/killer-s-greed-over-claim-for-163-1-3m-1-2524887

[Kaldin]

Had he not been convicted and Mabel Speakman not altered her will I assume he might have been in line for half her estate. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/killer-s-greed-over-claim-for-163-1-3m-1-2524887

Probably via June, not directly. It was important for the relatives to get that changed.

[Jane]

Answer my question Adam ...

Where EXACTLY would you have stayed in that time ?

a) the farm ?

b) his cottage ?

What would you have actually done in his situation Adam ?

Where exactly would you have stayed in that month or so ?


You simply have not thought it through have you Adam ?

He would not want to live at the farm would he ? obviously not !!!

He would not want to live in the cottage on his own - and do what ?  obviously not !!!

So he needed some where new to live - obviously !!!!!

He was suddenly rich - and as we know he loved travelling (like most of us do)

So why not go on holiday ?

Like I say on this point you simply have not thought it through from Jeremy's point of view based on the situation he was in - have you Aadam ?

Anyway answer my question :

Where exactly would you have stayed in that month or so ?

Come on Adam I am interested in your answer ....

I think it's highly likely that once Jeremy was free of all restraints, the farm and all those connected to it ceased to exist.He was young, carefree, and RICH. Nowhere he couldn't go. Nothing he couldn't do. Nothing he couldn't have. Heady thought, eh?