Why wasn't crispy shot?

[Kaldin]

So who actually said that her hands were "clean" then? Who said there was no blood on the palms or fingers?

[susan]

There was blood on her nightdress. It was Sheila's blood.

Hello Adam

yes Peter Vanezis said that in his hand written notes made shortly after the deaths blood stained right hand and blood transferred to her nightdress in his opinion.  Go and have a wee read for yourself.

[guest2181]

So who actually said that her hands were "clean" then? Who said there was no blood on the palms or fingers?

Vanezis.

[Adam]

But Adam, you insisted for a while that the twins had been shot first because that's what Julie claimed Jeremy told her. Julie also claimed that he told her Sheila had been made to shoot herself, so do you think that's the case? If she did fire the gun, would there not be residue on her hands?

Read my answers in replies 46 & 50.

Of course Bamber would have shot Sheila himself. Then told Julie MM made Sheila shoot herself.

Everyone has to go by the pages of COA evidence, which I have just posted. Which show Sheil didn't breach, chamber, load, (twice), fight & fire 25 bullets. 

Or find proof the COA was part of an industrial frame. Which is something Bamber has never claimed.

[Kaldin]

Vanezis.

Where did he say this?

[Kaldin]

Read my answers in replies 46 & 50.

Of course Bamber would have shot Sheila himself. Then told Julie MM made Sheila shoot herself.

Everyone has to go by the pages of COA evidence, which I have just posted. Or find proof the COA was part of an industrial frame. Which is something Bamber has never claimed.

Right, so you believe him when he said that the twins were shot first, but not when he said that Sheila shot herself.

[guest2181]

Where did he say this?

[Adam]

Right, so you believe him when he said that the twins were shot first, but not when he said that Sheila shot herself.

I believe Julie's WS of what she said Bamber told her.

You need to go by the pages of COA evidence. Not one line in a WS.

Do you believe the pages of COA evidence is made up ? Bamber has never made this very serious suggestion.

[susan]

So who actually said that her hands were "clean" then? Who said there was no blood on the palms or fingers?

Kaldin the hand written notes made by Peter Vanezis stated her right hand was blood stained but in the typed report he said Sheila's hands were clean and this was the one used at trial.

[Adam]

Kaldin is certainly a fire fighter. Always looking for a way out of the mountains of incriminating evidence. This time it's pages from the COA.

Last week a straight forward bullet allocation for Bamber was turned into the most difficult thing ever. And I was accused of changing stance after slightly amending the allocation !

[Kaldin]

Thank you. He said the palms and fingers were not contaminated with blood, but he didn't say they were "clean". He also didn't say there was blood on her wrist, but he did say that some of the blood on her nightdress appeared to be transferred from her wrist. Did he mean that all the blood got wiped off her wrist?

[Adam]

Kaldin the hand written notes made by Peter Vanezis stated her right hand was blood stained but in the typed report he said Sheila's hands were clean and this was the one used at trial.

The back of one of Sheila's hand had blood on.

The palms, fingers & nails were clean of any blood, residue, dirt, oil & lubricant.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin is certainly a fire fighter. Always looking for a way out of the mountains of incriminating evidence. This time it's pages from the COA.

Last week a straight forward bullet allocation for Bamber was turned into the most difficult thing ever. And I was accused of changing stance after slightly amending the allocation !

Now then Adam, I've also contradicted statements made about Sheila being the perpetrator, so be fair.

It was you who insisted that the twins were shot first just because Julie claimed that Jeremy said so, but now you don't believe what Jeremy had allegedly said, so you're contradicting yourself.

[Adam]

Thank you. He said the palms and fingers were not contaminated with blood, but he didn't say they were "clean". He also didn't say there was blood on her wrist, but he did say that some of the blood on her nightdress appeared to be transferred from her wrist. Did he mean that all the blood got wiped off her wrist?

Now you are making assumptions based on what someone didn't say.

[guest2181]

Thank you. He said the palms and fingers were not contaminated with blood, but he didn't say they were "clean". He also didn't say there was blood on her wrist, but he did say that some of the blood on her nightdress appeared to be transferred from her wrist. Did he mean that all the blood got wiped off her wrist?

No I don't believe that to be a reasonable interpretation.

Vanezis goes in to some detail in his court transcript, but you have previously said that you are unable to read it (it is quite faint in places).