Sherlock has solved the case at last ...

[Adam]

If someone with bloodied hands was flicking through the Bible, they certainly did so without actually picking it up, otherwise there would have been blood on the cover.

I just had another look.

It seems just the page it was open at had a blood mark. There is also what could be a finger print, which was David's 'forensic evidence breakthrough'.

As Sheila's fingers had no blood on, she must have read the bible before having her shower.

[Kaldin]

I just had another look.

It seems just the page it was open at had a blood mark. There is also what could be a finger print, which was David's 'forensic evidence breakthrough'.

As Sheila's fingers had no blood on, she must have read the bible before having her shower.

She didn't necessarily have a whole shower. Also, the blood on the Bible didn't necessarily come from Sheila's hands.

If she had no blood on her hands, where did the marks on her nightdress come from - the ones which have been described as finger marks?

[Jane]

Nothing " blinkered " about me. I've had MANY more years of experience than you have to enable me to help/ explain  situations such as this particular crime.
It's no use going on about the usual " lack of empathy ",etc etc,it doesn't wash.It's only your way of getting out of replying with a more sensible answer.

I should have added conceited, but you've just proved that you, too, believe you know more than anyone else. I'd be interested to hear why you believe you have the right to compare your own experience with mine, and what qualifies you to claim that your "help" and explanations are of benefit to other than your ego.

[sherlock]

I just had another look.

It seems just the page it was open at had a blood mark. There is also what could be a finger print, which was David's 'forensic evidence breakthrough'.

As Sheila's fingers had no blood on, she must have read the bible before having her shower.

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It is likely she read Psalm 51 before having a shower and went back to reading it after her shower ...

There were no bloodied fingerprints found on the Bible or this would have been disclosed at Trial ...

[Stephanie]

EP had a lot to answer for at that time. Just because someone appeared to have been intelligent and no " underdog " ,they immediately disliked JB. As well,JB wasn't afraid to speak out either and stand his ground,which was something else that police don't like as they're used to putting words into the mouths of those who are easily brainwashed.

The police are used to dealing with all types of people, most especially the cocky and arrogant types, are they not?

How have you come to the conclusion they "immediately disliked JB?"

Are you suggesting JB was brainwashed before he was arrested? If so, by who was he brainwashed and what evidence do you have to support these claims?

[sherlock]

She didn't necessarily have a whole shower. Also, the blood on the Bible didn't necessarily come from Sheila's hands.

If she had no blood on her hands, where did the marks on her nightdress come from - the ones which have been described as finger marks?

My opinion is she would have had a complete extremely thorough shower before putting very clean clothes on ...

This is because of Psalm 51 - she was attempting to physically wash away her sin as well as spiritually - it is what people who believe Psalm 51 would do in that situation after murdering someone ...

 

[sherlock]

The police are used to dealing with all types of people, most especially the cocky and arrogant types, are they not?

How have you come to the conclusion they "immediately disliked JB?"

Are you suggesting JB was brainwashed before he was arrested? If so, by who was he brainwashed and what evidence do you have to support these claims?

It is normally the cocky arrogant ones who get the worst outcomes - Police are only too human like the rest of us - that is why it pays to be polite to Police - and every body you deal with in life as far as you can ...

And some of you forget Jeremy had just been through an unbelievably heavy trauma - how do you thinkthate the already heavily traumatised Jeremy felt and therefore reacted to be treated as a suspect ?

A lot of the questions in the interviews were idiotically stupid - DC Jones was not the cleverest of coppers - no surprise Jeremy refused to engage with some of his idiotic questions ...

[Stephanie]

Wouldn't anyone stand firm and stand up to the law if they knew themselves they were right ? Oh,I see,you wouldn't ! You'd take the psychological abuse and hope for the best ?

You don't appear to be considering those people who are guilty who stand up to the police in order to try and fool them?

How do/would they behave?

To what psychological abuse are you referring?

The police didn't psychologically abuse Bamber. If you read his police interviews they were actually quite accommodating; unless you can give an example of what you perceive to be otherwise?

[Adam]

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It is likely she read Psalm 51 before having a shower and went back to reading it after her shower ...

There were no bloodied fingerprints found on the Bible or this would have been disclosed at Trial ...

Thanks for clearing that up.

So Sheila murdered 4 people, got her mothers bible, read it, showered, changed, then killed herself.

[Stephanie]

 Police don't like being beaten at their game. The fact that JB didn't have a solicitor,nor was offered one ? with his initial interview tells me that he'd felt sure ( naively ) that his story would have been believed and that he'd had nothing to worry about. So far as I can recollect,JB hadn't even " broken down " as many guilty persons do,unless they're macho hardened criminals,of which he wasn't in that category.

Can you give examples of what games you are referring the police played?
When JB was first I viewed the police believed it was a murder/suicide.

Bamber did have a solicitor present during his police interviews. Read the transcripts.

Where does is show he was "naive?"

What about the caravan burglary? Did he behave naively then?

The growing of can ibis on the farm; was that come out of nativity?

Why do you think he didn't " break down?" If someone doesn't "break down" was do you interpret from this?

What is your definition of a Macho hardened criminal?

[sherlock]

Thanks for clearing that up.

So Sheila murdered 4 people, got her mothers bible, read it, showered, changed, then killed herself.

Exactly - it really is that simple ...

She probably looked at Psalm 51 again after her shower though ...

It happened exactly how the Police immediately thought it had happened  ...

Until the silencer and Julie turned up ....

That is a different story ...

One put together by Robert Boutflour for financial reasons ...

He also did not want to see his make up wearing "queer" adopted drug dealing nephew take all the familys money ...

Give him credit though - he probably really did believe it was Jeremy ...

Jeremy asked him to confess to what he had done before he died - he did not ...

Let us hope that Julie or David do though ...

[Stephanie]

I can see no contradictions ...

I have looked at it from all angles to finally see the truth ...

Please feel free to point out any apparent contradiction and I will explain ...

I watch remarkably little television Stephanie - but I am highly experienced in life and people ...

You can see no contradictions even though I've pointed you to one?

You clearly haven't looked at it from all angles, you've looked at it from your angle of bias as your posts confirm.

What do you mean by you are highly experienced in life and people? Please give an example how you are better placed to understand this case over and above anyone else.

[Adam]

Exactly - it really is that simple ...

It is exactly what the Police realised it was immediately  ...

Until the silencer and Julie turned up ....

That is a different story ...

One put together by Robert Boutflour for financial reasons ...

He also did not want to see his make up wearing "queer" adopted drug dealing nephew take all the familys money ...

Give him credit though - he probably really did believe it was Jeremy ...

Jeremy asked him to confess to what he had done before he died - he did not ...

Let us hope that Julie or David do though ...

Sheila must have been a passionate bible reader.

To seek out her mothers bible, be committed enough to calm herself down & then read it. After killing 4 people.

Have you got a source she was a passionate bible reader ?

[lookout]

Are you suggesting police put words into the mouths of criminals ?

And are you suggestions, for example, career criminals are brainwashed?

Or are you referring to yourself or your own perception?

Police do put words in the mouths of those who've been arrested especially when it's put to them,the arrested person, " that I suggest you carried out the said crime ",to which that person will first obviously say " no ",until this auto-suggestion continues to the suspect until he/she breaks ,which at that stage doesn't indicate guilt or innocence. Someone with their head held high won't falter but somewhere along the line you can bet that the police will make that possible and because JB was determined to " fight his corner " it didn't go down well because the law always wants to appear to be right.
Ask yourself why there are so many MOJ's,when in YOUR reality/argument there shouldn't be because the law is ALWAYS right ?

P.S. The law aren't averse to carrying out the odd murder themselves------yet they're in positions of upholding the law ? A disgusting example of what they should stand for. Shouldn't they be crime-free to set an example ?
 Do as I say and not as I do would be their motto.! 

[Stephanie]

Do you think in 1985 that DC Jones would have liked the make up wearing "queer" local drug dealer who was better educated than him, better looking than him and was about to by a car that DC jones could only dream of and was about to inherit massively and who probably had zero respect for him because he was a policeman ?

Let me give you a clue - he probably did not ...

You are showing bias.

Why would DC Jones be concerned by JB's make up or by his sexual persuasions?

Why do you perceive JB to be better educated than DC Jones? What is your interpretation of intelligence? There are many intelligent and unintelligent drug dealers. Just like those people who are privately educated are no more or less intelligent than those who aren't.

I do not think Bamber was good looking, but that's my own perception of him.

Are you referring to the kit car?

and are you suggesting the police treated Bamber differently because he may or may not have owned or brought a flash motor?

Are you sure you are living in the real world? You accuse others of not living in reality but your posts suggest it is you who has a screwed perception of reality.