Sherlock has solved the case at last ...

[Stephanie]

The relatives did not like Jeremy at all for the reasons you say ...

DC Jones did not like Jeremy for the reasons you say ...

Julie hated Jeremy for different reasons ...

They got together and convinced themselves that Jeremy had done it ...

It was all too easy - they all wanted to believe it ...

Confirmation bias can be a very misleading thing - they all suffered from it because they really did not like him at all ...

People tend to believe what they want to believe - it is even easier if you are going to become rich instead of poor if your hunch is right - which is the position the relatives were in ...

Sounds to me like these are Jeremy's and indeed your own projections

[sherlock]

Or one financially desperate wrong ' en

What did WPC Jeapes see in the window then ?

For your theory to be right then a highly trained firearms INSTRUCTOR must have been very wrong ...

She was not wrong Stephanie - people like her do not make mistakes like that ...

That is also why there was also movement seen in another window by another Police Officer ...

This is why Sheilas blood was still wet ...

Psalm 51 puts it 100% on Sheila ...

[Adam]

I also believed that Hillsborough was an industrial frame ...

You know what Adam - it was ...

The Boutflours, Julie and DC Jones do not actually amount to an industrial frame ...

Just a small tight knit group of financially desperate and wrong people ...

There is not 1 piece of evidence it was not Sheila that is not explained by her having a wash ...

If you think there is then please list even one ...

Obviously it will involve hundreds of people if Bamber was framed. Thread already created.

You believe Sheila had a shower after the massacre. Then changed into the extact same attire she would have gone to bed in at 10pm. There is no evidence she had a shower.

Sheila having a shower would not have removed a lot of evidence. Some of the evidence Sheila didn't commit the massacre is nothing to do with a shower -


Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Sheila being found bare footed in a nightdress suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

[sherlock]

Sounds to me like these are Jeremy's and indeed your own projections

Could you define what you mean by projections please ?

[Stephanie]

1) WPC Jeaves statement - There was someone moving in the house when Jeremy was outside ...

2) David Boutflours obvious guilty conscience about the silencer in interviews he has given

3) Psalm 51 was relevant - the relevance of washing could only have been known by Sheila - no one else ...


I have considered every single possible possibility and ruled them all out one by one ...

There is only one scenario that fits ALL the evidence.

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
 Sherlock Holmes

When did you rule out John Sweeney? And why?

And can you point me to where you have ever considered Jeremy Bamber to be the sole perpetrator and applied Sherlock Holmes theory to him

[Adam]

What did WPC Jeapes see in the window then ?

For your theory to be right then a highly trained firearms INSTRUCTOR must have been very wrong ...

She was not wrong Stephanie - people like her do not make mistakes like that ...

That is also why there was also movement seen in another window by another Police Officer ...

This is why Sheilas blood was still wet ...

Psalm 51 puts it 100% on Sheila ...

Why couldn't Bamber leave the bible on a good page ? He spent a year planning the massacre. I'm sure he could have investigated this.

It's called framing someone.

[sherlock]

Obviously it will involve hundreds of people if Bamber was framed. Thread already created.

You believe Sheila had a shower after the massacre. Then changed into the extact same attire she would have gone to bed in at 10pm. There is no evidence she had a shower.

Sheila having a shower would not have removed a lot of evidence. Some of the evidence Sheila didn't commit the massacre is nothing to do with a shower -


Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Sheila being found bare footed in a nightdress suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

We obviously have a lot of work to do to reach agreement Adam - so lets get started

We will need to discuss your points one by one ...

First of all you say :

"Obviously it will involve hundreds of people if Bamber was framed. Thread already created. "

My scenario only involves one or two relatives, Julie and DC Jones

So why do you say it must have involved hundreds of people for it to happen ?

[Stephanie]

What did WPC Jeapes see in the window then ?

For your theory to be right then a highly trained firearms INSTRUCTOR must have been very wrong ...

She was not wrong Stephanie - people like her do not make mistakes like that ...

That is also why there was also movement seen in another window by another Police Officer ...

This is why Sheilas blood was still wet ...

Psalm 51 puts it 100% on Sheila ...

Maybe you should read back some of your recent posts and apply the same logic to your own theories as you suggests others do.

Surely you can see your own contradictions?

Maybe it is you who suffers from what you claim others suffer from? Maybe you watch too much TV, for example?

[Adam]

Maybe you should read back some of your recent posts and apply the same logic to your own theories as you suggests others do.

Surely you can see your own contradictions?

Maybe it is you who suffers from what you claim others suffer from? Maybe you watch too much TV, for example?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8583.msg409293.html#msg409293

[Stephanie]

Could you define what you mean by projections please ?

What do you think I mean?

[David1819]

Obviously it will involve hundreds of people if Bamber was framed. Thread already created.

You believe Sheila had a shower after the massacre. Then changed into the extact same attire she would have gone to bed in at 10pm. There is no evidence she had a shower.

Sheila having a shower would not have removed a lot of evidence. Some of the evidence Sheila didn't commit the massacre is nothing to do with a shower -

"A straw man is a logical fallacy which occurs when a debater intentionally misrepresents their opponent's argument as a weaker version, and rebuts said version — rather than their opponent's genuine argument. Intentional strawmanning is usually done with a certain goal in mind, including:

1.Avoiding real debate against an opponent's real argument, because the misrepresenter risks losing in fair debate

2.Making the opponent's position appear ridiculous as a way of poisoning the well"

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Straw_man

[sherlock]

When did you rule out John Sweeney? And why?

And can you point me to where you have ever considered Jeremy Bamber to be the sole perpetrator and applied Sherlock Holmes theory to him

Murder squad detectives assured me the woman in the John Sweeney painting has been traced and is alive and is therefore not Sheila.

WPC Jeapes seeing a rifle in the window rules Jeremy out as being the sole perpetrator ...

[lookout]

EP had a lot to answer for at that time. Just because someone appeared to have been intelligent and no " underdog " ,they immediately disliked JB. As well,JB wasn't afraid to speak out either and stand his ground,which was something else that police don't like as they're used to putting words into the mouths of those who are easily brainwashed.

Wouldn't anyone stand firm and stand up to the law if they knew themselves they were right ? Oh,I see,you wouldn't ! You'd take the psychological abuse and hope for the best ?
 Police don't like being beaten at their game. The fact that JB didn't have a solicitor,nor was offered one ? with his initial interview tells me that he'd felt sure ( naively ) that his story would have been believed and that he'd had nothing to worry about. So far as I can recollect,JB hadn't even " broken down " as many guilty persons do,unless they're macho hardened criminals,of which he wasn't in that category.

[Stephanie]

What did WPC Jeapes see in the window then ? Nothing - trick of the light

For your theory to be right then a highly trained firearms INSTRUCTOR must have been very wrong ... Human error

She was not wrong Stephanie - people like her do not make mistakes like that ... Yes they do

That is also why there was also movement seen in another window by another Police Officer ... who?

This is why Sheilas blood was still wet ... No it wasn't

Psalm 51 puts it 100% on Sheila ... No it doesn't

[sherlock]

Why couldn't Bamber leave the bible on a good page ? He spent a year planning the massacre. I'm sure he could have investigated this.

It's called framing someone.

Jeremy might have realised the significance of the bloodshed part of Psalm 51 - but only Sheila would have realised the significance of the washing part ...

Therefore it was Sheila ...

Sheila had spoken of killing her Devil children - Jeremy had not ...