Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:

[Kaldin]

Oh don't trouble yourself now the nights are drawing in. Like that household cleaning product commercial David has done all the hard work so you don't have to.

Naughty! 

There's a lot of stuff to consider - don't you agree? There's no point just accepting things at face value - attention to detail is important.

[Kaldin]

What Jeremy Bamber did to JM is all here https://www.facebook.com/notes/psychopaths-rule-the-world/gaslighting-crazy-making-and-the-reversive-blockade-techniques-of-the-psychopath/268145193228876/

No it's not - that's just a general article.

[Stephanie]

No it's not - that's just a general article.

Naughty! 

There's a lot of stuff to consider - don't you agree? There's no point just accepting things at face value - attention to detail is important.

If attention to detail is important as you suggest why then did you miss the fact that the link to which I posted and you referred are taken from numerous articles.

Did you read the following?

"The Reversive Blockade:

 Emphatically insisting upon something which is the opposite of truth blocks the average person's mind from perceiving the truth. In accordance with the dictates of healthy common sense, he starts searching for meaning in the "golden mean" between the truth and its opposite, winding up with some satisfactory counterfeit. People who think like this do not realize that this effect is precisely the intent of the person who subjects them to this method... Use of this method can be included within the [previously] mentioned special psychological knowledge developed by psychopaths concerning the weaknesses of human nature and the art of leading others into error.
– Andrew Lobaczewski, Political Ponerology

[Kaldin]

If attention to detail is important as you suggest why then did you miss the fact that the link to which I posted and you referred are taken from numerous articles.

Did you read the following?

"The Reversive Blockade:

 Emphatically insisting upon something which is the opposite of truth blocks the average person's mind from perceiving the truth. In accordance with the dictates of healthy common sense, he starts searching for meaning in the "golden mean" between the truth and its opposite, winding up with some satisfactory counterfeit. People who think like this do not realize that this effect is precisely the intent of the person who subjects them to this method... Use of this method can be included within the [previously] mentioned special psychological knowledge developed by psychopaths concerning the weaknesses of human nature and the art of leading others into error.
– Andrew Lobaczewski, Political Ponerology

The article you posted isn't about Jeremy Bamber and Julie Mugford though. You're just guessing what their relationship was like.

[Stephanie]

This is being done constantly. Supporters are determined to put the gun in Julie's hand by whatever means possible.

I guess it's down to the varying personality types Jane 

[Stephanie]

The article you posted isn't about Jeremy Bamber and Julie Mugford though. You're just guessing what their relationship was like.

No guesswork required, you only need refer to David's posts on the subject matter.

Personality disordered individuals possess varying personality traits which become predictable over a period of time; especially if you know what to look for.

It's clear JM was another victim of Jeremy Bamber's!

[Kaldin]

No guesswork required, you only need refer to David's posts on the subject matter.

Personality disordered individuals possess varying personality traits which become predictable over a period of time; especially if you know what to look for.

Why would I refer to David's posts?

There's no evidence that Jeremy is a psychopath anyway.

[Jane]

I guess it's down to the varying personality types Jane 

It feels like it's hoped that by condemning Julie, it'll shift attention away from Jeremy's guilt.

[David1819]

Not that wretched list again. You'll have to be more concise and explain the evidence more clearly. I've addressed some of the points, but I don't have all day to go through each one.

Gish Gallop is Adams 'debate' strategy.

[Steve_uk]

No guesswork required, you only need refer to David's posts on the subject matter.

Personality disordered individuals possess varying personality traits which become predictable over a period of time; especially if you know what to look for.

It's clear JM was another victim of Jeremy Bamber's!

I'd like to think that and I still probably do. The problem I have is the collateral damage left in the relationship's wake. When I compare it to Suzette Ford for example she seemed to walk away unscathed, though of course Jeremy hadn't yet begun his musings on the killings, which to my mind were inchoate in Autumn 1984, germinated throughout his association with her and should have been derailed before execution.

I forgive her because I know what teaching practice is like (Maggie may or may not forgive me for mentioning) and I have to accept that she was in love, as a 20-year-old is entitled to be.

[Stephanie]

Gish Gallop is Adams 'debate' strategy.

It's not Adam posting Gish gallop

[David1819]

The man killed 5 members of his family, including two six year old's while they slept, simply because he could wait for his inheritance.

What evidence do you have to support this? And don't shift the burden or give a cheap answer like 'cuz he's guilty' or 'his story iz bollox' I would like some tangible evidence please.

[Kaldin]

It's not Adam posting Gish gallop

He is. He needs to break that list down and be more specific.

[Steve_uk]

What evidence do you have to support this? And don't shift the burden or give a cheap answer like 'cuz he's guilty' or 'his story iz bollox' I would like some tangible evidence please.

There is no smoking gun, but there is a whole host of circumstantial evidence regarding Jeremy's relationship with his parents, the true nature of which he is still in denial over after 32 years, the provisions of the will, his bitter state of mind over the period as related by Julie, his proficiency in firearms, his materialistic nature and desperation to impress others by money to compensate for his inadequacy, and the combination of circumstances which accrued, including Sheila's illness, Nevill's infirmity, the lightning strike and the occasion of all the family assembled under the one roof, making as Julie reported that the crime would be "now or never".

[Kaldin]

There is no smoking gun, but there is a whole host of circumstantial evidence regarding Jeremy's relationship with his parents, the true nature of which he is still in denial over after 32 years, the provisions of the will, his bitter state of mind over the period as related by Julie, his proficiency in firearms, his materialistic nature and desperation to impress others by money to compensate for his inadequacy, and the combination of circumstances which accrued, including Sheila's illness, Nevill's infirmity, the lightning strike and the occasion of all the family assembled under the one roof, making as Julie reported that the crime would be "now or never".

That is all very circumstantial, and a lot of it could just as easily apply to Sheila. A lot of it is just the opinion of others who perhaps didn't know him very well anyway.

I thought you would bring up the issue of the silencer, which is at least slightly more in the line of hard evidence.