The Bible

[Stephanie]

I have no bias - only theories ...

Can you name a more open minded member of this forum than me ?
 
My mind is open to every possibility ....

My knowledge of what those Psalms mean is not opinion - it is actual knowledge ...

Opinion can be swayed by bias - knowledge cannot be ....

Jackie







Ha ha haha

[sherlock]

Ha ha ha ha

I think you have very little experience in life Stephanie ...

If you had experienced life and people more you would realise what I have said is very easily possible ....

You have watched too much TV I think - but real life is not like that Stephanie ...

If I am wrong on any facts then please enlighten us ?

If my logic is not good then please explain - I am listening ...

I would love you to convince me it could not have been Anthony ...

But you only seem to have use of 2 keys on your keyboard at the moment ...

And I do not think you have the intelligence for logical debate ....

Prove me wrong and explain why you are sure Anthony Pargeter is not a multiple child killer ?

If he is then other children are in danger ....

And I can't see the funny side of that Stephanie ...

So let us all hear your logic for discounting Anthony as a suspect ....

And if you think that he could not have mimicked Neville or threatened Neville then like I said you do not know what real people are like in the real world Stephanie ....

[sherlock]

Jackie







Ha ha haha

I do not know much about Jackie ..

But like yourself she has only one theory has she not ?

I on the other hand have very many - do I not ? 

Surely I am more open minded than Jackie ?

I will however leave that to others to judge 

So come on Stephanie - why could it not have been Anthony ?

[Adam]

There has been lots of suggestions of third parties on the forum -

AP
AE
RB
A hit man
A hit man team.
A random stranger.
A burglar
An unidentified woman 'she'.
The MI5

It was either Bamber or one of the above.

[Caroline]

yes 

You can believe that Jeremy killed his family for the inheritance - right ?

So why can you not believe that Anthony would have done the same ?

You can believe that Jeremy used deception to mislead people in the murders - right ?

So why can you not believe that Anthony could have used deception in the murders ? ....

They were more or less brothers - what is the difference between them in your opinion ?

Many people can do convincing imitations of others - why not Anthony ?

Why do you think Anthony could not have forced Neville at gunpoint to make the call ?

It is all too possible ...

Remember Anthony was there a week before checking and testing his rifle ....

He could have accessed the farmhouse at night just as easily as Jeremy could ....

Anthony did end up with a lot of the inheritance ...

Anthony could easily have been behind planting the silencer ...

Anthony and Robert knew Julie and the local Police and could have been behind her false statement ...

Why can you not see it is perfectly possible ?

Is it just because no one has suggested the possibility to you before ?

Maybe it contradicts your pre conceived idea of Anthony ?

But you know zero about Anthony ...

All any of us know is that he was an expert marksman who went and bought a nightclub in Ibiza with the inheritance money ....

And are you sure about where his rifle actually was ?

Many are sure he lied to the Police about his rifle and his silencer - why would he do that ?

So yes Caroline -  I am 100% serious about Anthony being a serious suspect

What do I know about Anthony? I know that he successfully sued someone for accusing him of murder - so good luck with that! I think your theory is naive and you just haven't thought it through. He knew nothing of the wills (Bamber did) and only an idiot would make a phoney call to lure a victim by saying someone had gone crazy with a gun. They couldn't know that said person wouldn't call the police and they would be caught.

Open minded you may be, but you haven't thought it through.

[Kaldin]

It doesn't make sense to suspect Anthony Pargeter. Unless he could kill Jeremy along with all the others, he had no motive because Jeremy would inherit.

[nugnug]

It doesn't make sense to suspect Anthony Pargeter. Unless he could kill Jeremy along with all the others, he had no motive because Jeremy would inherit.

i dont think he would of necasrly inheirted if he had killed jeremy i mean he still had to take rwb to court to get his share.

i think the thoery is that he intended to shoot but couldent get jeremy there in time and when he did turn up it was with the police.

[Caroline]

It doesn't make sense to suspect Anthony Pargeter. Unless he could kill Jeremy along with all the others, he had no motive because Jeremy would inherit.

Exactly.

[Caroline]

i dont think he would of necasrly inheirted if he had killed jeremy i mean he still had to take rwb to court to get his share.

i think the thoery is that he intended to shoot but couldent get jeremy there in time and when he did turn up it was with the police.

What and he just walked away? If not money, what possible motive would he have had?

[David1819]

It doesn't make sense to suspect Anthony Pargeter. Unless he could kill Jeremy along with all the others, he had no motive because Jeremy would inherit.

If you want to live in hypothetical lala land.

Anthony Pargeter enters WHF to steal something. Nevil wakes and APs break in is botched. Anthony Pargeter ends up shooting Nevill and then AP has to dispatch the other waking witnesses. Calls Jeremy protending to be Nevill. Gives Sheila the gun and tells her to shoot herself.

Its possible but its extremely improbable

[Caroline]

If you want to live in hypothetical lala land.

Anthony Pargeter enters WHF to steal something. Nevil wakes and APs break in is botched. Anthony Pargeter ends up shooting Nevill and then AP has to dispatch the other waking witnesses. Calls Jeremy protending to be Nevill. Gives Sheila the gun and tells her to shoot herself.

Its possible but its extremely improbable

If he had wanted to steal something, he had ample opportunity when he stayed there a few weeks prior.

[Stephanie]

If you want to live in hypothetical lala land.

Anthony Pargeter enters WHF to steal something. Nevil wakes and APs break in is botched. Anthony Pargeter ends up shooting Nevill and then AP has to dispatch the other waking witnesses. Calls Jeremy protending to be Nevill. Gives Sheila the gun and tells her to shoot herself.

Its possible but its extremely improbable

La la land? Isn't that what Bamber used to Mike in one of the letters I posted earlier today?

Where does Sheila fit in to your possible yet improbable theory?

I see....

This conclusion is a possibility when it suits you to use it

Gives Sheila the gun and tells her to shoot herself.

Where does your forensic breakthrough fit in? You left out its relevance.

[Steve_uk]

If you know what you are talking about here then explain to the forum what those passages are about...

The truth is you do not have the beginning of a clue what they are about ...

So you simply do not know if they are relevant or not - do you Caroline ?

If you do know what those passages are about then tell us your interpretation here and now Caroline ...

They are symptomatic of Sheila's insecurity and search for any meaningful existence once she had frightened away Colin with her stupid antics, behaviour which Colin subsequently came to interpret as a need to break away from the mental control June had exerted over her down the years.

If you believe that Sheila shot her parents and sons, then ritualistically washed to cleanse the sin then these passages will be right up your street. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+51

[Caroline]

If you know what you are talking about here then explain to the forum what those passages are about...

The truth is you do not have the beginning of a clue what they are about ...

So you simply do not know if they are relevant or not - do you Caroline ?

If you do know what those passages are about then tell us your interpretation here and now Caroline ...

Actually - I do and they aren't relevant.

[sherlock]

They are symptomatic of Sheila's insecurity and search for any meaningful existence once she had frightened away Colin with her stupid antics, behaviour which Colin subsequently came to interpret as a need to break away from the mental control June had exerted over her down the years.

If you believe that Sheila shot her parents and sons, then ritualistically washed to cleanse the sin then these passages will be right up your street. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+51

Congratulations Caroline...

You have just done exactly what the Appeal Court religious expert failed to do ...

You have used the correct translation of the Bible ...

There are of course many very different translations using different words ...

The translation you used uses the correct wording for the key sentence in this Psalm

"Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God,"

You see Psalm 51 is a prayer to God to be allowed to come closer to God after committing the sin of murder (bloodshed) ...

Part of that is the washing away of the sin to allow the closeness to God again - The Psalm is referencing spiritual cleansing of the sin of murder but through history cleansing of sins traditionally involved physical cleansing in water to assist the spiritual cleansing (for whatever the sin) ....

The Psalm 51 that Sheila was apparently reading is therefore about physical and spiritual cleaning in order to move closer to God after the sin of murder ...

I hope you can begin to see the relevance ?

If Sheila in a religious psychotic attack had shot her family what passage do you think she would have turned to ?

And do you think in light of what Psalm 51 is about that she might have physically cleaned herself ?

It is all very possible ....

Or did someone plant the bloodstains on Psalm 51 to make it look like the above ?

That is also possible ....

Is Psalm 51 a coincidence ?

Not 1 chance in 1 million is it a coincidence ....

The Appeal Court looked at whether it was relevant ....

The so called expert used a different translation of the Bible ...

The translation she used does not use the word bloodshed in the key passage ....

"Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God,"

She therefore wrongly did not relate Psalm 51 to bloodshed ie murder....

Such is the complexity of religious opinion ...

But congratulations once again Caroline.

Unlike Dr Gillingham you have referenced the correct translation of the Bible