The Bible

[Caroline]

Congratulations Caroline...

You have just done exactly what the Appeal Court religious expert failed to do ...

You have used the correct translation of the Bible ...

There are of course many very different translations using different words ...

The translation you used uses the correct wording for the key sentence in this Psalm

"Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God,"

You see Psalm 51 is a prayer to God to be allowed to come closer to God after committing the sin of murder (bloodshed) ...

Part of that is the washing away of the sin to allow the closeness to God again - The Psalm is referencing spiritual cleansing of the sin of murder but through history cleansing of sins traditionally involved physical cleansing in water to assist the spiritual cleansing (for whatever the sin) ....

The Psalm 51 that Sheila was apparently reading is therefore about physical and spiritual cleaning in order to move closer to God after the sin of murder ...

I hope you can begin to see the relevance ?

If Sheila in a religious psychotic attack had shot her family what passage do you think she would have turned to ?

And do you think in light of what Psalm 51 is about that she might have physically cleaned herself ?

It is all very possible ....

Or did someone plant the bloodstains on Psalm 51 to make it look like the above ?

That is also possible ....

Is Psalm 51 a coincidence ?

Not 1 chance in 1 million is it a coincidence ....

The Appeal Court looked at whether it was relevant ....

The so called expert used a different translation of the Bible ...

The translation she used does not use the word bloodshed in the key passage ....

"Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed, O God,"

She therefore wrongly did not relate Psalm 51 to bloodshed ie murder....

Such is the complexity of religious opinion ...

But congratulations once again Caroline.

Unlike Dr Gillingham you have referenced the correct translation of the Bible 

It wasn't me who posted the link, it was Steve - The translation doesn't interest me as I don't believe it's relevant.

[maggie]

It wasn't me who posted the link, it was Steve - The translation doesn't interest me as I don't believe it's relevant.

I agree.

[lookout]

And I don't believe that it had been Sheila who was reading the Bible anyway ! Let alone where it had landed on the floor showing the part of the book which was supposed to tie-in with Sheila's state of mind.

[Caroline]

And I don't believe that it had been Sheila who was reading the Bible anyway ! Let alone where it had landed on the floor showing the part of the book which was supposed to tie-in with Sheila's state of mind.

I don't think anyone was reading it. IF Jeremy's version is true, it was the early hours of the morning - WHY would anyone be reading the bible?

[lookout]

I don't think anyone was reading it. IF Jeremy's version is true, it was the early hours of the morning - WHY would anyone be reading the bible?

It's quite feasible to think that June had been reading the Bible as she'd lain in bed,as it was something that she did anyway and I do believe that it had been a focal point in the bedroom that night as passages from it were probably preached to Sheila by her mother.

[Kaldin]

It's quite feasible to think that June had been reading the Bible as she'd lain in bed,as it was something that she did anyway and I do believe that it had been a focal point in the bedroom that night as passages from it were probably preached to Sheila by her mother.

June may well have been reading the Bible in bed earlier, but her pillow was not propped up, so it would have been awkward for her to read it whilst she was lying down.

[lookout]

I think it was Tara,a friend of Sheila's who came in for an ear-bashing from June about certain passages from the Bible as Sheila had to apologise for her mother's visit. It would have been like having a Jehova's Witness on your doorstep. Is this normal behaviour from your friend's mother ?

[Kaldin]

Re this theory that the large stain of blood on the page of the Bible is a hand print, what happened to the rest of the hand print? Could the Bible have been on Sheila's lap and the rest of the hand print, ie from fingers, are those which are on her nightdress?

[sherlock]

It wasn't me who posted the link, it was Steve - The translation doesn't interest me as I don't believe it's relevant.

Myself and Steve can see the relevance - You and Maggie cannot see it ...

That is because you and Maggie are suffering from confirmation bias ...

How can a passage about guilt after murder not be relevant ?

[sherlock]

I don't think anyone was reading it. IF Jeremy's version is true, it was the early hours of the morning - WHY would anyone be reading the bible?

Please see my new thread for the answer to that question Caroline ....

[Caroline]

Myself and Steve can see the relevance - You and Maggie cannot see it ...

That is because you and Maggie are suffering from confirmation bias ...

How can a passage about guilt after murder not be relevant ?

Not sure what you're suffering from mate but don't get personal if you don't want personal back. There are reasons I don't think it's relevant and that's all I am saying.

[Caroline]

Please see my new thread for the answer to that question Caroline ....

What new thread?

[lookout]

Myself and Steve can see the relevance - You and Maggie cannot see it ...

That is because you and Maggie are suffering from confirmation bias ...

How can a passage about guilt after murder not be relevant ?

 "Guilt after murders " wouldn't have come from Sheila ( my belief ) What had she to have been guilty about ? She'd lived her life as she'd wanted. It had been others who'd made Sheila feel guilty about the life she'd led.

[Steve_uk]

Myself and Steve can see the relevance - You and Maggie cannot see it ...

That is because you and Maggie are suffering from confirmation bias ...

How can a passage about guilt after murder not be relevant ?

I can see some relevance to the possibility that Sheila might become a born again Christian, which would go in tandem with her ideas about joining CND in the letter she wrote to her cousin. But there's nothing about murder in the psalms. More likely she was thinking about the meeting with her natural mother and juxtaposing her with June, who had made her frightened over the years to think of sex and other vices in a way which she deemed unsuitable for a young woman.

[maggie]

Myself and Steve can see the relevance - You and Maggie cannot see it ...

That is because you and Maggie are suffering from confirmation bias ...

How can a passage about guilt after murder not be relevant ?

I can see the relevance, however I am not convinced it was anymore than coincidental.  Many chapters, psalms etc in the Bible could be found to be relevant to the massacre therefore I don't see it as proof of anything imo.