A New Approach

[Caroline]

A book is only as credible as the sources it provides.

So what part of Wilkes isn't credible?

[David1819]

You didn't distinguish between any kind of books and you have quoted other books. Difference is, when you do it it's OK - in your mind. Many times you have posted part of an article with no reference to where it's from and when tracked down, it's evident that you have been selective.

You often accuse me of this with no proof. Well then, page 326 of "Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics and Forensic Techniques - 3rd Edition" is one I often post. But only the first of three paragraphs. Tell me why I should include the last two paragraphs and what relevance they have to this case. 

[Adam]

David's trying to say it's ok to quote CAL's book but not Wilkes's. Probably because he has access to CAL's book & not Wilkes's.

Although he has never quoted CAL's sources when quoting her.

As I said, Wilkes is an investigative author who had written two previous real life crime books. He interviewed everyone except Julie.

And I'm still waiting for David's alternative source of Mary Mugford's court testimony.

[David1819]

David's trying to say it's ok to quote CAL's book but not Wilkes's. Probably because he has access to CAL's book & not Wilkes's.

Although he has never quoted CAL's sources when quoting her.

As I said, Wilkes is an investigative author who had written two previous real life crime books. He interviewed everyone except Julie.

And I'm still waiting for David's alternative source of Mary Mugford's court testimony.

What do you mean "alternative source of Mary Mugford's court testimony" There is only one source for her court testimony and that is the court trial transcript.

[Adam]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'.

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Did CAL's book not mention her testimony ? Shame.

[Stephanie]

Adam, among others, has made numerous valid posts regarding the destruction of evidence but it appears he's been derailed each time he does.

How about you provide evidence from Jeremy Bamber where he explicitly asks that police do not destroy exhibits, along with dates etc.. Dates are important. Letters would be a good source. And of course they need to show he requested exhibits not be destroyed.

I've bumped this post as I'm still waiting on the evidence.

[David1819]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'.

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Did CAL's book not mention her testimony ? Shame.

That is not a trial transcript.

[lookout]

Sheila hated boarding school so much that she left,having already had one expulsion.!!

[Adam]

That is not a trial transcript.

I know.

I guess this & the other 90 pages on the trial in the book should be dismissed then.

Someone like you or the publisher should have told Wilkes before he wrote the book.

[lookout]

God loves a trier.

[David1819]

I know.

I guess this & the other 90 pages on the trial in the book should be dismissed then.

If Wilkes has not used the trial transcripts as a source for the trial chapters then absolutely it should be dismissed.

In the back of the book there should be an index of sources with corresponding citation numbers. Have a look and what does it say?

[Adam]

If Wilkes has not used the trial transcripts as a source for the trial chapters then absolutely it should be dismissed.

In the back of the book there should be an index of sources with corresponding citation numbers. Have a look and what does it say?

You dismiss what you want. Everyone else will use books as a source. Which is much better than using you're 3D diagrams.

In the front of Wilkes book is a list of sources. He also said he interviewed everyone except Julie. I assume some of these hundreds of people attended court.

How do you know Wilkes didn't see Mary Mugfords trial transcript ? Just because it's not online doesn't mean he didn't see it. He was an investigative author.

Anyway whenever you print from CAL's or other peoples books from now on, I look forward to an accompanying print out the authors source. You're choice.

[David1819]

You dismiss what you want. Everyone else will use books as a source. Which is much better than using you're 3D diagrams.

In the front of Wilkes book is a list of sources. He also said he interviewed everyone except Julie. I assume some of these hundreds of people attended court.

How do you know Wilkes didn't see Mary Mugfords trial transcript ? Just because it's not online doesn't mean he didn't see it. He was an investigative author.

Anyway whenever you print from CAL's or other peoples books from now on, I look forward to an accompanying print out the authors source. You're choice.

What is the list of sources?

[Caroline]

If Wilkes has not used the trial transcripts as a source for the trial chapters then absolutely it should be dismissed.

In the back of the book there should be an index of sources with corresponding citation numbers. Have a look and what does it say?

Read the introduction of his book.

[David1819]

Read the introduction of his book.

I don't have the book. Otherwise I would not be asking.