A New Approach

[Kaldin]

You may find the 'Reptilian Stare' amusing Adam but it is a fact.  Many partners/victims of psychopaths say afterwards that their time with the psychopath was like being in a dream state or bubble.  Julie could not have functioned in the world the way she did if she was in a dreamlike state. 

JM apparently dismissed JB's late night phone call and told him to go back to sleep which is hardly the actions of a woman in thrall and obsessed by him.

Exactly!

[Caroline]

I agree which makes it hard to believe she was in a hypnotic state.  People in such a situation find it impossible to function away from their psychopath, it is like an addiction and all consuming.  The fact that JM was able to attend college and get through her Teaching Practice makes it unlikely that she was a victim of such behavour by JB.

That's rather a generalisation and how one reacts to a psychopath depends on individual differences. Also, Julie didn't live with Jeremy so she was able to break away on a regular basis.

I don't think any of us can say why she didn't report Jeremy straight away - fact is she didn't but she was instrumental in his conviction and that's the main thing.

[Kaldin]

That's rather a generalisation and how one reacts to a psychopath depends on individual differences. Also, Julie didn't live with Jeremy so she was able to break away on a regular basis.

I don't think any of us can say why she didn't report Jeremy straight away - fact is she didn't but she was instrumental in his conviction and that's the main thing.

I can understand her not reporting him straightaway, what I can't understand is why she carried on with their relationship as if nothing bad had happened. She could have gone back to London and stayed there - made excuses or gone away somewhere. Wasn't it the summer holidays?

[Caroline]

I can understand her not reporting him straightaway, what I can't understand is why she carried on with their relationship as if nothing bad had happened. She could have gone back to London and stayed there - made excuses or gone away somewhere. Wasn't it the summer holidays?

But she didn't carry on as if nothing had happened, she was on his case about whenever possible.

[Adam]

Supporters believe Julie should have told the police within 10 minutes of arriving at WHF.

While everyone was greiving & saying Sheila was the culprit.

[Adam]

I can understand her not reporting him straightaway, what I can't understand is why she carried on with their relationship as if nothing bad had happened. She could have gone back to London and stayed there - made excuses or gone away somewhere. Wasn't it the summer holidays?

She could have. But didn't. Then started telling people what she knew after 20 days.

No one can change that.

How is that relevant to Bamber's guilt ?

[Kaldin]

But she didn't carry on as if nothing had happened, she was on his case about whenever possible.

Pursuading him to turn himself in? No she wasn't.

[Caroline]

Pursuading him to turn himself in? No she wasn't.

Well, unless you were a third wheel in the love nest - it's really not for you to say what they discussed.

[Adam]

Pursuading him to turn himself in? No she wasn't.

She wasn't going to try to persuade him to turn himself in. However she does mention discussions with Bamber in her WS about the massacre.

[Caroline]

She wasn't going to try to persuade him to turn himself in. However she does mention discussions with Bamber in her WS about the massacre.

Lots of them

[Kaldin]

Well, unless you were a third wheel in the love nest - it's really not for you to say what they discussed.

Of course it is - if she'd tried to get him to turn himself in, she would have told the police that.

[Adam]

Of course it is - if she'd tried to get him to turn himself in, she would have told the police that.

I agree Julie would not have tried to get Bamber to turn himself in.

And she has never said she did.

[Kaldin]

I agree Julie would not have tried to get Bamber to turn himself in.

And she has never said she did.

Exactly. It didn't seem to occur to her.

[Adam]

Exactly. It didn't seem to occur to her.

There was zero chance of Bamber turning himself in.

Although he did say to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'.

His insinuations that he was a master criminal would have continued if he wasn't arrested.

[Kaldin]

There was zero chance of Bamber turning himself in.

Although he did say to Liz Rimmington 'only I know what really happened that night'.

His insinuations that he was a master criminal would have continued if he wasn't arrested.

So what was she talking to him about then? Why he did it? That was fairly obvious - for money. In fact, there was a lot of money at stake.