A New Approach

[Kaldin]

Julie said she didn't want to go to the funeral & other places. But Bamber pleaded with her.

As said Bamber brought Julie to WHF first thing in the morning & was then perfectly capable of telling Julie he wanted to be left alone. He didn't which suggests he persuaded Julie to accompany him. So he was able to keep an eye on her.

Bamber did later say he 'wanted to live his own life'. Probably because he believed everything had blown over & Julie's mentioning of the massacre was irritating him.

Well she would say that, wouldn't she? One can only be persuaded if one lets oneself be persuaded. I wouldn't have thought it would be difficult to refuse - after all, he had told her that he had his family murdered (allegedly).

[Jane]

How do you know she didn't want to go? People who don't want to go to a funeral don't generally help out with the arrangements or go and buy a new frock and a pretty little hat and veil.

Just how do you arrive at that conclusion? This was a 'society' funeral. All the great and good of the county were there. Why would she not want to look the part, especially if she felt it would give her some courage?

[Steve_uk]

Julie said she didn't want to go to the funeral & other places. But Bamber pleaded with her.

As said Bamber brought Julie to WHF first thing in the morning & was then perfectly capable of telling her he wanted to be left alone. He didn't which suggests he persuaded Julie to accompany him. So he was able to keep an eye on her.

Bamber did later say he 'wanted to live his own life'. Probably because he believed everything had blown over & Julie's mentioning of the massacre was irritating him.

Yes it's hard for the Defence to explain the telephone calls if they want to claim Julie was somehow complicit. It says to me that at that stage Julie was still very much part of his plans, despite his assertion in September to Police that his relationship with her had been cooling for months.

[Adam]

Of course she wanted to go, otherwise she wouldn't have gone. Nobody forced her to go.

She was still with Bamber then. What was she supposed to do ?

If she did not go to the funeral, what would you have thought ?

[Kaldin]

She was still with Bamber then. What was she supposed to do ?

If she did not go to the funeral, what would you have thought ?

Eh? They weren't joined at the hip you know. She had free will, and she was only his girlfriend. Why would I have thought anything? I know lots of people who couldn't go to funerals - she could easily have made an excuse.

[Kaldin]

Just how do you arrive at that conclusion? This was a 'society' funeral. All the great and good of the county were there. Why would she not want to look the part, especially if she felt it would give her some courage?

Society funeral? You mean it was being filmed by the press. You are constantly excusing her for covering up for him.

[Jane]

Well she would say that, wouldn't she? One can only be persuaded if one lets oneself be persuaded. I wouldn't have thought it would be difficult to refuse - after all, he had told her that he had his family murdered (allegedly).

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. I don't believe you're as lacking in intelligence as you appear to be pretending. I don't actually know what it is you believe, I just have the feeling that you're arguing for argument's sake.

[Jane]

Society funeral? You mean it was being filmed by the press. You are constantly excusing her for covering up for him.

I mean exactly what I said. Women DO cover for men they're in love with..................especially those in coercive relationships.

[Kaldin]

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. I don't believe you're as lacking in intelligence as you appear to be pretending. I don't actually know what it is you believe, I just have the feeling that you're arguing for argument's sake.

Do you? I think you are, unless you habitually defend those who cover up for someone who committed a terrible crime.

[guest2181]

Society funeral? You mean it was being filmed by the press. You are constantly excusing her for covering up for him.

Excusing/accusing.

Why Julie didn't mention something to the police immediately, is not known.

I think people are willing to be more forgiving to her, for doing the right thing eventually. JB on the other hand, is a different prospect, if guilty then it's quite difficult to excuse his actions.

[Kaldin]

I mean exactly what I said. Women DO cover for men they're in love with..................especially those in coercive relationships.

Prove that it was coercive. Who says that women do that? Some of them do, but do they go out partying and socialising, and do they go and stay for the weekend with the victims' nearest and dearest?

[Kaldin]

Excusing/accusing.

Why Julie didn't mention something to the police immediately, is not known.

I think people are willing to be more forgiving to her, for doing the right thing eventually. JB on the other hand, is a different prospect, if guilt then quite quite difficult to excuse his actions.

But if he's guilty, his actions afterwards are more understandable aren't they? Of course, he might have had an attack of remorse, but he had allegedly planned this for a long time. Julie Mugford was allegedly not evil, or a psychopath, as he's been accused of being.

[Adam]

Eh? They weren't joined at the hip you know. She had free will, and she was only his girlfriend. Why would I have thought anything? I know lots of people who couldn't go to funerals - she could easily have made an excuse.

You would have been all over Julie if she had not gone.

[Kaldin]

You would have been all over Julie if she had not gone.

Why would I? I wouldn't - if I was convinced that she was telling the truth in the end. In fact, I would have expected her to stay as far away as possible and sob for a month.

[Jane]

Prove that it was coercive. Who says that women do that? Some of them do, but do they go out partying and socialising, and do they go and stay for the weekend with the victims' nearest and dearest?

D'ya know what, Kaldin? I'm not going to waste my hard worked for knowledge on you. I could quote every psychologist who's written a paper on it but I don't believe you want to know. In fact, each subsequent post of yours is becoming ever more as if you're determined NOT to know. I've explained that what one does ISN'T always a clear indication of how one feels about doing it. You've chosen to dismiss it. Find someone else to play games with.