A New Approach

[Steve_uk]

Stephanie made the point that you can't see into the mind of a psychopath, though put it more eloquently than myself.

[Kaldin]

What make YOU think it wasn't?

You're the one who made the claim, so back it up. In what way was Jeremy coercive?

[Adam]

I don't blame her for going over there at first, but after that, when he allegedly told her that he was responsible, it was entirely her fault that she carried on partying with him. It's not Jeremy's fault that she accepted any of his invitations to party, to go for meals, to go away for weekends - that was down to her.

I agree it was her choice to stay with Bamber for 20 days. Although pressurised by a persuasive Bamber.

She was young, in love, in a state of disbelief & invited by Bamber.

You believe in her situation & at her age you would have immediately cut off from Bamber.

Luckily you have never been in her situation.

[Kaldin]

I agree it was her choice to stay with Bamber for 20 days. Although pressurised by a persuasive Bamber.

She was young, in love, in a state of disbelief & invited by Bamber.

You believe in her situation & at her age you would have immediately cut off from Bamber.

Luckily you have never been in her situation.

I doubt that he pressurised her at all. After all, didn't he want his freedom, as she said? I think she made sure that she stayed with him.

[Jane]

I don't blame her for going over there at first, but after that, when he allegedly told her that he was responsible, it was entirely her fault that she carried on partying with him. It's not Jeremy's fault that she accepted any of his invitations to party, to go for meals, to go away for weekends - that was down to her.

She went through the motions, certainly. It doesn't guarantee how she was feeling. It's highly possible she believed that she'd be involved, in which case, she may have felt safer being with him. It's equally possible that, for his part, his insistence on her being there was so he could be certain she WOULDN'T go to the police.

[Steve_uk]

I doubt that he pressurised her at all. After all, didn't he want his freedom, as she said? I think she made sure that she stayed with him.

No she left Bourtree Cottage and  returned to Caterham Road, Lewisham. By this time Jeremy had moved into Moreshead Mansions with Brett and may well have asked Virginia Greaves to move in as well.

[guest2181]

Adam for a start.

Fair enough. 

[Kaldin]

No she left Bourtree Cottage and  returned to Caterham Road, Lewisham. By this time Jeremy had moved into Moreshead Mansions with Brett and may well have asked Virginia Greaves to move in as well.

Eh? How does any of that mean that Jeremy did all the running and asked her to be with him?

[Caroline]

You're the one who made the claim, so back it up. In what way was Jeremy coercive?

YOu made the claim that she wanted to go to the funeral - you didn't back that up.

[Kaldin]

YOu made the claim that she wanted to go to the funeral - you didn't back that up.

Of course she wanted to go, otherwise she wouldn't have gone. Nobody forced her to go.

[Caroline]

Of course she wanted to go, otherwise she wouldn't have gone. Nobody forced her to go.

The is a BIG difference between going and wanting to go - forced or not!

[Kaldin]

The is a BIG difference between going and wanting to go - forced or not!

How do you know she didn't want to go? People who don't want to go to a funeral don't generally help out with the arrangements or go and buy a new frock and a pretty little hat and veil.

[Jane]

Of course she wanted to go, otherwise she wouldn't have gone. Nobody forced her to go.

So you've NEVER done anything -for anyone- you haven't wanted to? Simply because you felt you should?

[Steve_uk]

Eh? How does any of that mean that Jeremy did all the running and asked her to be with him?

He had bounced his macabre ideas off Julie for months, who wasn't paying as much attention to them as she should, being distracted by teaching practice, he used her to maintain appearances at the funeral, and then dispensed with her when he realized he wished to explore other avenues. It's the typical idealize, devalue and discard scenario as related by our member Stephanie here. He told Liz Rimington quite openly his life might have taken a different turn with Julie had it not been for the murders.

[Adam]

I doubt that he pressurised her at all. After all, didn't he want his freedom, as she said? I think she made sure that she stayed with him.

Julie said she didn't want to go to the funeral & other places. But Bamber pleaded with her.

As said Bamber brought Julie to WHF first thing in the morning & was then perfectly capable of telling her he wanted to be left alone. He didn't which suggests he persuaded Julie to accompany him. So he was able to keep an eye on her.

Bamber did later say he 'wanted to live his own life'. Probably because he believed everything had blown over & Julie's mentioning of the massacre was irritating him.