A New Approach

[guest2181]

What difference does it make? Are you saying it would have been fine if MM had done it on the instructions of Jeremy?

No I'm not saying anything of the sort.

At what stage do you think Julie realised that JB actually committed the murders himself?

[Kaldin]

Your world comes over as being one which is very strictly black or white. That being so, it's understandable that you believe "Julie didn't need to.................." Life is rarely that simple where human emotions are involved. Taken into account must be out past experiences ie what we were told we should do, balanced against what we saw being demonstrated. How we value ourselves ie what we learned of ourselves from our parents. Once again, it's probably necessary for me to stress that I'M NOT CONDONING, I'm simply looking rather deeper than the surface in order to understand.

I just object to the way some people think that her accepting Jeremy's invitations was Jeremy's fault. Whatever else he's done, she was a grown woman and she wasn't forced to go anywhere with him.

[Steve_uk]

I just object to the way some people think that her accepting Jeremy's invitations was Jeremy's fault. Whatever else he's done, she was a grown woman and she wasn't forced to go anywhere with him.

Interesting as this may be isn't it rather a side issue in the scheme of things?

[Kaldin]

No I'm not saying anything of the sort.

At what stage do you think Julie realised that JB actually committed the murders himself?

An interesting question, and I don't know the answer. I do wonder if she felt completely sick when she found out as opposed to slightly perturbed when she thought he paid someone to do it.

[Kaldin]

Interesting as this may be isn't it rather a side issue in the scheme of things?

Perhaps you should everyone that - I'm not the only one discussing it.

[guest2181]

I just object to the way some people think that her accepting Jeremy's invitations was Jeremy's fault. Whatever else he's done, she was a grown woman and she wasn't forced to go anywhere with him.

Who is it that you are suggesting thinks that?

[guest2181]

An interesting question, and I don't know the answer. I do wonder if she felt completely sick when she found out as opposed to slightly perturbed when she thought he paid someone to do it.

Possibly so, I don't know.

[Jane]

I just object to the way some people think that her accepting Jeremy's invitations was Jeremy's fault. Whatever else he's done, she was a grown woman and she wasn't forced to go anywhere with him.

You're still not getting how she was -in all probability- groomed and you appear -either- not to have the remotest idea of how coercive relationships work, OR to be determined to make Julie responsible for Jeremy's behaviour.

[Kaldin]

You're still not getting how she was -in all probability- groomed and you appear -either- not to have the remotest idea of how coercive relationships work, OR to be determined to make Julie responsible for Jeremy's behaviour.

She's responsible for her own behaviour  - Jeremy is not responsible for her behaviour.

[Kaldin]

Who is it that you are suggesting thinks that?

Adam for a start.

[Jane]

She's responsible for her own behaviour  - Jeremy is not responsible for her behaviour.

Not in a coercive relationship where there always exists a puppet and a puppet-master.

[Kaldin]

Not in a coercive relationship where there always exists a puppet and a puppet-master.

I don't think it was coercive. What is your evidence that it was?

[Adam]

I just object to the way some people think that her accepting Jeremy's invitations was Jeremy's fault. Whatever else he's done, she was a grown woman and she wasn't forced to go anywhere with him.

Julie couldn't exactly turn down a police car picking her up - Bamber's fault.

After that Bamber could have asked to be left alone while he grieved. However he partied & invited Julie along - Bamber's fault.

Julie in a state of disbelief went along with Bamber. For 20 days.

[Kaldin]

Julie couldn't exactly turn down a police car picking her up - Bamber's fault.

After that Bamber could have asked to be left alone while he grieved. However he partied & invited Julie along - Bamber's fault.

Julie in a state of disbelief went along with Bamber. For 20 days.

I don't blame her for going over there at first, but after that, when he allegedly told her that he was responsible, it was entirely her fault that she carried on partying with him. It's not Jeremy's fault that she accepted any of his invitations to party, to go for meals, to go away for weekends - that was down to her.

[Jane]

I don't think it was coercive. What is your evidence that it was?

What make YOU think it wasn't?