A New Approach

[Jan]

The next documentary has to be as good as Making of a Murder because that was a hit in this country
If the quality is good enough then it could become a hit in Canada
Julie might then decide she wants to talk about the case

I agree that previous programmes have been poor quality , but making of a murderer was filmed during the whole event happening . Now that cold case programme would be better .

[JackieD]

I'm sure Bamber would have again tried to sell pictures of Sheila if released.

Deals are made during a trial. Nothing was signed by Julie until after the verdict.

Your sure are you Adam??? Another ridiculous statement
How are you sure? Provide a source for you being sure

Everything I have written in my first post about Mugford are cold hard facts. I don't have to make out I am sure

[JackieD]

I agree that previous programmes have been poor quality , but making of a murderer was filmed during the whole event happening . Now that cold case programme would be better .

Your right Jan. The series would need to be good enough to been seen in America and Canada to make a real impact

[Jan]

I know. Bamber went after a technicality.

Are you still talking about the news of the world ?

[susan]

The press got inside information Bamber was guilty. That is what they are paid to do, get inside information. So they offerred Julie 25k, which was less than the 40k Bamber had negotiated.

Adam can you show me a source for this please?

[Adam]

Your right Jan. The series would need to be good enough to been seen in America and Canada to make a real impact

Let me know when it's on. I will certainly watch.

[Jan]

I know. Bamber went after a technicality.

Adam there is no source to prove the deal was signed after the trial because in Julie's own statement she can not remember when she signed it ?

Source of the paper having inside knowledge of Jeremy's conviction please ?

[Adam]

Adam can you show me a source for this please?

The source is in the events. The NOTW approached Julie during the trial after they realised they would not get a story from Bamber.

[Adam]

Adam there is no source to prove the deal was signed after the trial because in Julie's own statement she can not remember when she signed it ?

Source of the paper having inside knowledge of Jeremy's conviction please ?

I know. Julie said this after Bamber went after a technicality.

[Jan]

The source is in the events. The NOTW approached Julie after they realised they would not get a story from Bamber.

She was approached before the end of the trial ? So again how did they know there would be no story from Jeremy ?

[Jan]

I know. Julie said this after Bamber went after a technicality.

No not a technicality it is a very bad move to negotiate  financial reward with the press during a trial . For obvious reasons

[Adam]

She was approached before the end of the trial ? So again how did they know there would be no story from Jeremy ?

Because they were following the trial. As the public were.

They would have also sounded out people & realised Bamber was going to be found guilty. It's what newspapers do. You know what, they were right.

[Jan]

Because they were following the trial. As the public were.

They would have also sounded out people & realised Bamber was going to be found guilty. It's what newspapers do. You know what, they were right.

Who would those people be ? Those people who knew how the case would be judged?

[susan]

The source is in the events. The NOTW approached Julie during the trial after they realised they would not get a story from Bamber.

Adam that is not a source just an event  they approached her before the trial.  When did she sign it !!!!

[Samson]

A New Approach

There has been a number of documentaries and books made about the Whitehouse Farm Murders but I believe the standard of true crime documentaries has risen immensely and TVs companies are now commissioning true crime series as well as one offs.
I believe everyone on this forum would agree it is impossible to portray what happened at WHF, the aftermath, the trial and the conviction in one hour. I know that Mark Williams Thomas believes Jeremy Bamber is innocent but he had an impossible task to squeeze everything he wanted to highlight about the case in the 60 minutes (less ad breaks). He was also desperate to interview Julie Mugford and was quite happy to fly to Canada to do this.
 Because this case is still discussed in the media and documentary makers are still interested in working with Jeremy there needs to be much detailed information available on a programme to gain more public interest

I believe a documentary should start with the conviction and work backwards starting with why the jury found Jeremy guilty

Part one and two

(1) The silencer, who found it, forensics etc

(2) Julie Mugford How she apparently             
      knew Jeremy was planning to
      murder his family, how she apparently
      knew from Jeremy the night before
      the murders his plans and she knew
      Jeremy was responsible straight after
      the murders Jeremy was responsible
      for the murders. How Julie volunteered
      to identify the bodies of victims
      murdered (including 2 small children)
      when she knew her boyfriend was
      responsible. How Julie stood shoulder
      to shoulder with Colin Caffell (the
      father of the two young children
      murdered) at the funerals at the same
      time comforting Jeremy Bamber.
      How Julie Mugford carried on sleeping
      and partying with Jeremy for weeks
      after the murders and funerals.
      Julie showed how dishonest she was
      carrying out a number of cheque
      frauds in London and being involved
      in a robbery at the Bamber caravan
      park
      With any documentary it will be
      important to show Julie did not speak
      to the police to tell them she knew
      Jeremy was responsible until Jeremy
      finished their relationship
      Probably one of the most important
      factors that should be included is the
      deal Julie Mugford did with the News
      Of the world to get a £25,000 if
      Jeremy was convicted. Julie Mugford
      has never been convicted of any of her   
      crimes
      With regard to the above most of this
      has never been included in a
      documentary before because of the
      time factor and I am sure if the six part
      documentary is commissioned the
      general public will start to look at
      the case differently
      Could Julie Mugford be trusted? she
      was a prolific liar and she made a lot of
      money from the NOTW on Jeremy's
      conviction and acted without a doubt
      as a women scorned

       If this documentary is made
       accurately it might even push Julie
       into saying what really happened in
       all those police interviews and why
       would she offer to identify 3 adults
       and 2 children when she knew they
       had been murdered by her
       boyfriend

After details of the silencer and more information is broadcast about Julie Mugford then the severity of Sheila's illness needs dealing with and then the relatives and the money trail and the the altered statements and withheld evidence
That's a start, that should wet the appetite of the viewing audience
 

 
     

Try the "Black Hands" approach, a truly disgraceful compendium of lies about the Bain case.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201852320/murder-mysteries-on-demand-are-in-demand

Let me make it quite clear, Robin Bain did this crime almost exactly as Sheila Caffel did hers, unplanned after being stressed to the max by family members earlier. Van Beynen in episode 10 does a better xxxx xxxxxx of xxxxxxxxx than Adam here.