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Offline Caroline

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #60 on: June 08, 2017, 07:52:PM »
That's our legal system and sometimes it goes wrong

What's your bright idea then?
Give the police cart blanche to fit anyone up who they 'think' was responsible for the crime

Why don't you right to the powers to be and tell them you think we should stop using the jury system

It's hilarious, kangeroo courts everywhere

And sometimes it goes right and the killer of 5 people gets a whole life tariff.

You asked me a question and answered it yourself so I won't bother

I don't think we should stop using the jury system - where did I say that? I am happy with the jury's decision in this case - they found him guilty!

I don't think kangaroo's should be allowed in court  :-\
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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #61 on: June 08, 2017, 08:06:PM »
If the only people who can see your tweets are the people who follow you then you are already preaching to the converted and not to new people who wouldn't be able to see what you have said.

What did I do for Jeremy when I thought he was innocent? The same as most other people here - your point being?

I understand that a campaign it to get a message out to people who may not know about the subject. It is to drum up support - you won't do that if such people can't see what your message is.

I cannot believe that I have found someone who doesn't understand twitter

At least you have admitted you weren't capable of helping Jeremy when you thought he was innocent
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #62 on: June 08, 2017, 08:36:PM »
If Jeremy had walked free having killed 5 people - would that be justice?
Of course it's a huge argument Caroline, I'm not disputing that and of course no one should walk free after committing any murder.

For all that guilt or innocence has to be proven without corruption imo honesty in the judicial system is paramount. As I said any corruption noble or not is the thin edge of the wedge imo.

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #63 on: June 08, 2017, 09:05:PM »
Of course it's a huge argument Caroline, I'm not disputing that and of course no one should walk free after committing any murder.

For all that guilt or innocence has to be proven without corruption imo honesty in the judicial system is paramount. As I said any corruption noble or not is the thin edge of the wedge imo.

Maggie Justice is not just about a guilty man walking free but also about an innocent man given a whole life tariff for a crime he did not commit a case should go to Court with genuine evidence available.

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #64 on: June 08, 2017, 11:20:PM »
Maggie Justice is not just about a guilty man walking free but also about an innocent man given a whole life tariff for a crime he did not commit a case should go to Court with genuine evidence available.

No, justice is not just about a guilty man going free - but that 'was' my question!
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« Reply #65 on: June 09, 2017, 01:13:AM »
Noble cause corruption is cited on Wikipedia using Arthur Allan Thomas as a prime example. In this case, Len Demmler shot his son in law Harvey Crewewith a one shot 22, then bludgeoned his daughter Jeanette before reloading and shooting her in the face. He killed them because Jeanette had just visited the family lawyer and seen her mother's will her father had forged in his favour. She phoned him demanding a meeting, she got it alright.
The plods would not fooled by this straightforward crime theory and arrested a neighbouring farmer, and planted a cartridge case under the window of the house to bolster their non case. The garden had been meticulously seive searched previously and the cops were busted. Arthur spent only 9 years in jail, which is a pretty light internment for cases of this nature. Ask Jeremy Bamber.

"Obviously I can't help gloating at the prospect of the execrable kitty heels being bundled from Tory leadership on the back of her profoundly arrogant and disastrous foray into power mongering.

Her handling of Bamber alone makes this moment sweet.
(I have saved this post for my own enjoyment later, since it may have a short half life here)."

The last two paragraphs I posted on Red, but John will remove the post, so I place it here also.

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« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2017, 02:09:AM »
Noble cause corruption is cited on Wikipedia using Arthur Allan Thomas as a prime example. In this case, Len Demmler shot his son in law Harvey Crewewith a one shot 22, then bludgeoned his daughter Jeanette before reloading and shooting her in the face. He killed them because Jeanette had just visited the family lawyer and seen her mother's will her father had forged in his favour. She phoned him demanding a meeting, she got it alright.
The plods would not fooled by this straightforward crime theory and arrested a neighbouring farmer, and planted a cartridge case under the window of the house to bolster their non case. The garden had been meticulously seive searched previously and the cops were busted. Arthur spent only 9 years in jail, which is a pretty light internment for cases of this nature. Ask Jeremy Bamber.

"Obviously I can't help gloating at the prospect of the execrable kitty heels being bundled from Tory leadership on the back of her profoundly arrogant and disastrous foray into power mongering.

Her handling of Bamber alone makes this moment sweet.
(I have saved this post for my own enjoyment later, since it may have a short half life here)."

The last two paragraphs I posted on Red, but John will remove the post, so I place it here also.
I'm not taking your post down.  It's quite a night.

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2017, 03:00:AM »
I'm not taking your post down.  It's quite a night.
I have a lot of difficulty making people understand the buck stops with Home secretaries and Prime ministers.
Rob Muldoon as prime minister of New Zealand, same parliamentary system, pardoned and released Arthur Allan Thomas. Theresa May should pardon and release Jeremy Bamber if she had any guts.
Even my friend Holly fails to see this.

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2017, 09:01:AM »
No, justice is not just about a guilty man going free - but that 'was' my question!

Caroline no it would not be justice if a guilty man walked free.

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2017, 09:42:AM »
How come a guilty man walks free,anyway ? What prompts that ?

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« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2017, 09:47:AM »
Caroline no it would not be justice if a guilty man walked free.
It would not be moral justice but would be legal justice as things stand.
If our legal justice system was built on the moral justice demanded by the injured parties then surely we are moving towards sharia law  or am I missing the point?  Bit bleary this morning!!

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« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2017, 09:50:AM »
Can I throw a spanner in the works ? I will anyway.
If by some fluke Jeremy's namesake,JC,arranges a re-hearing re.the trial,and JB walks,will you all then put your trust in who you voted for,agreeing that a " guilty " man walks free ? 

My thoughts are, that Jeremy Corbyn will support this cause of JB's. Thoughts,anyone ?

Offline Caroline

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2017, 12:00:PM »
It would not be moral justice but would be legal justice as things stand.
If our legal justice system was built on the moral justice demanded by the injured parties then surely we are moving towards sharia law  or am I missing the point?  Bit bleary this morning!!

It also wouldn't be justice for any other person who suffered as a result of a guilty man (or woman) walking free. Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you are saying but the concept of justice isn't clear cut. If someone is found not guilty we generally accept that and think the court has done it's job but those involved in the case (police, victims, etc.) see anther sid of it and if they KNOW the person is guilty it must be VERY frustrating to se them walk.
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Offline Caroline

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #73 on: June 09, 2017, 12:02:PM »
Can I throw a spanner in the works ? I will anyway.
If by some fluke Jeremy's namesake,JC,arranges a re-hearing re.the trial,and JB walks,will you all then put your trust in who you voted for,agreeing that a " guilty " man walks free ? 

My thoughts are, that Jeremy Corbyn will support this cause of JB's. Thoughts,anyone ?

Why would he support Bamber? He has made no comments about it whatsoever. Not that it makes any difference now.
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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #74 on: June 09, 2017, 12:50:PM »
Can I throw a spanner in the works ? I will anyway.
If by some fluke Jeremy's namesake,JC,arranges a re-hearing re.the trial,and JB walks,will you all then put your trust in who you voted for,agreeing that a " guilty " man walks free ? 

My thoughts are, that Jeremy Corbyn will support this cause of JB's. Thoughts,anyone ?
It has occurred to me that if they get into power they may look at it. Corbyn is a generous and empathetic man who may listen to both sides of the argument with an open mind. 
Labour has just gained Kensington, London.. (Not Kensington Liverpool Lookout  ;D).  That is an increduble result! :o :o