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Offline David1819

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2017, 02:49:PM »
Then, IF, as you suggest, there was no evidence against Jeremy, how come 10 out of 12 jurors believed he was guilty? I'm inclined to believe they heard enough evidence to convince them he was guilty.

What was your reasoning behind the ten jurors verdict for the 29 or so years when you believed Sheila was the killer Jane J?

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2017, 02:52:PM »
Adam can you please clarify exactly how many pieces of "evidence" you have?   ::)

Well the library has well over 40 threads. Some of the threads relate to more than one piece.

Recently points 47 - 51 of the COA had over 20 pieces of forensic evidence showing Sheila did not fire a weapon, re load or fight.

So I would say well over 50.

In criminal cases, just one piece is needed.
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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2017, 03:17:PM »
What was your reasoning behind the ten jurors verdict for the 29 or so years when you believed Sheila was the killer Jane J?

I THINK I was probably dismissive of them, as in "What do they know"? You know how it is with conspiracy theories. All that's reasonable gets ignored in favour of the extraordinary.

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2017, 04:28:PM »
Don't be ridiculous, I know Jeremy is innocent so it doesn't apply to him

You can't answer the question because you know that is someone killed 5 people and walked away scott free, it wouldn't be justice.
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Offline JackieD

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2017, 04:56:PM »
You can't answer the question because you know that is someone killed 5 people and walked away scott free, it wouldn't be justice.

Try and keep up Caroline
There is a justice system where many murderers walk free and many innocent people are locked up when they are innocent

You have to live with it
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

Offline JackieD

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2017, 04:57:PM »
You know nowt about this case but have been spouting how Jeremy will be free soon for YEARS. How can you campaign for Bamber when your Twitter account is private? Preaching to the converted isn't campaigning!  ::)

Your posts aren't weak, they couldn't be described as being even THAT good. I'll give you credit though because what you don't know, you just make up!

Your time would be better spent on a desert island surrounded by man eating sharks. God forbid they ever swallowed you though - that would be one mighty belly ache!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


My account is not private to my 2000 followers
Deal with it
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2017, 05:46:PM »
You can't answer the question because you know that is someone killed 5 people and walked away scott free, it wouldn't be justice.





Would that be Beyond Reasonable Doubt ??

Offline notsure

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2017, 06:08:PM »
You can't answer the question because you know that is someone killed 5 people and walked away scott free, it wouldn't be justice.

well we would never know if it was justice or not because if there wasn't enough evidence to convict your left with only your own opinions.

It has to be proven doesn't it? Or what else have we got

Offline Caroline

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2017, 06:10:PM »

My account is not private to my 2000 followers
Deal with it

And that's who you campaign to? You preach to the converted - that's NOT CAMPAIGNING!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Offline Caroline

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2017, 06:11:PM »
well we would never know if it was justice or not because if there wasn't enough evidence to convict your left with only your own opinions.

It has to be proven doesn't it? Or what else have we got

You're talking about the law, I'm talking about justice. Would it be justice for a killer of 5 people to walk free?
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Offline Caroline

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2017, 07:06:PM »
You're talking about the law, I'm talking about justice. Would it be justice for a killer of 5 people to walk free?

I think we all know the answer. Had it not been for the abolition of double jeopardy, the killers of Stephen Lawrence would have gotten away with it. Is that Justice? 
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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2017, 07:11:PM »
You're talking about the law, I'm talking about justice. Would it be justice for a killer of 5 people to walk free?
And that's who you campaign to? You preach to the converted - that's NOT CAMPAIGNING!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

You obviously do not have the intelligence to realise how Twitter works or how many people it reaches

Please name one single thing you did to help Jeremy when you thought he was innocent
 Absolutely nothing
You don't even understand what campaigning means
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2017, 07:16:PM »
I think we all know the answer. Had it not been for the abolition of double jeopardy, the killers of Stephen Lawrence would have gotten away with it. Is that Justice?

That's our legal system and sometimes it goes wrong

What's your bright idea then?
Give the police cart blanche to fit anyone up who they 'think' was responsible for the crime

Why don't you right to the powers to be and tell them you think we should stop using the jury system

It's hilarious, kangeroo courts everywhere
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2017, 07:16:PM »
You're talking about the law, I'm talking about justice. Would it be justice for a killer of 5 people to walk free?

no

Offline Caroline

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Re: Noble cause
« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2017, 07:47:PM »
You obviously do not have the intelligence to realise how Twitter works or how many people it reaches

Please name one single thing you did to help Jeremy when you thought he was innocent
 Absolutely nothing
You don't even understand what campaigning means

If the only people who can see your tweets are the people who follow you then you are already preaching to the converted and not to new people who wouldn't be able to see what you have said.

What did I do for Jeremy when I thought he was innocent? The same as most other people here - your point being?

I understand that a campaign it to get a message out to people who may not know about the subject. It is to drum up support - you won't do that if such people can't see what your message is.
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