Kitchen telephone

[Jane]

So you have just accepted you were wrong again

Wrong about WHAT?

[JackieD]

Yeah. OK. That's 3

I know you spend your life forum hopping but I have no intention of making a list for you but I suggest you start with with the members list here and then the ct

That should keep you busy for a bit

[JackieD]

Please point us all to where Julie has held up her hands and confessed to being a liar. I feel perfectly confident that she won't be taking part in any documentary any time soon.

Put your glasses on Jane.

Did Mugford admit to the Cheque book numerous frauds

[JackieD]

OH Jackie, Jackie! You've done that one to death. How many more times must you be told that she didn't give the others sleeping pills which left her the only option. Yes. I agree that the NOTW debacle showed her in appalling light....................on the other hand she didn't slaughter her family.

You bought it up

FACT. Julie Mugford was a nasty CALLOUS piece of work

Good job she wasn't strong enough to suffocate Jeremy with that pillow or she would have been up for murder

[Jane]

Lookout it has proved without a doubt that Mugford is a pathological liar.....................

I'm not entirely certain that "pathological" can be attributed to Julie. There was a definite period in her life when she withheld certain truths, but pathological describes a liar who does it habitually and incessantly. There has been no proof of Julie doing so.

[Caroline]

You bought it up

FACT. Julie Mugford was a nasty CALLOUS piece of work

Good job she wasn't strong enough to suffocate Jeremy with that pillow or she would have been up for murder

As is happened ........

[Jane]

You bought it up

FACT. Julie Mugford was a nasty CALLOUS piece of work

Good job she wasn't strong enough to suffocate Jeremy with that pillow or she would have been up for murder

FACT. In your OPINION JM "was a nasty CALLOUS piece of work". Your opinion has never been verified. Lovers do strange things at times, wouldn't you agree?

[JackieD]

FACT. In your OPINION JM "was a nasty CALLOUS piece of work". Your opinion has never been verified. Lovers do strange things at times, wouldn't you agree?

I'm not entirely certain that "pathological" can be attributed to Julie. There was a definite period in her life when she withheld certain truths, but pathological describes a liar who does it habitually and incessantly. There has been no proof of Julie doing so.

How many shops did Mugford confidently carry out the Cheque book frauds in ?

[JackieD]

FACT. In your OPINION JM "was a nasty CALLOUS piece of work". Your opinion has never been verified. Lovers do strange things at times, wouldn't you agree?

I don't know what people you mix with but I don't know anyone who has put a pillow over their boyfriends head

That's callous

[Jane]

Put your glasses on Jane.

Did Mugford admit to the Cheque book numerous frauds

Yes, but since WHEN does that make her a pathological liar which is someone who lies habitually every time they open their mouth?

[Jane]

I don't know what people you mix with but I don't know anyone who has put a pillow over their boyfriends head

That's callous

Perhaps none of them have told you. I agree it's not the friendliest thing to do but you'd be surprised how some relationships thrive on a little violence..................and she did say he'd shown her sex like never before.

[notsure]

To make him innocent you have to make very sweeping excuses for his callous behaviours post massacre.

If his lack of urgency after the alleged call from Nevill fails to make you suspicious, there's his story to Colin about how Ann -allegedly- wanted to cover Sheila's coffin with black roses. There are his attempts to raise cash by selling nude pictures of Sheila to the press. There's his discourtesy in having Sheila cremated without asking Colin what he'd like -albeit they were divorced, she was the mother of his children. There's his total disrespect for the rest of the family in not keeping them in the loop over funeral arrangements. Whilst it maybe said that he wasn't on the best of terms with most of them, what about Auntie Pam, June's sister. Couldn't he have extended a little sympathy by acknowledging her loss? Of course, you can argue that none of this makes him a murderer. However, it surely must make you question his innocence.

Exactly Jane you would convict because of the stories which you believe. It might be right for all I know but it's no way to conduct our criminal justice system

[Adam]

Exactly Jane you would convict because of the stories which you believe. It might be right for all I know but it's no way to conduct our criminal justice system

The jury should and did convict on the mountain of forensic and circumstantial evidence. Which shows 100% Bamber is guilty. Some of it is below from the 2002 COA report.  It was posted this week and added to the library. Maybe you missed it.

But appreciate JackieD will always champion Bamber because Julie identified the twins. Susan said she is going to ignore the evidence & will continue to accuse Sheila of murdering her parents and children. 

You need to decide what to do.

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Both hands and feet were covered with plastic bags at the crime scene.

Hands

Perfectly clean.

One blood mark on back of hand.

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected.


Finger nails

Well manicured.

Not broken.

Nails in tact.


Fingers

No marks or indentations.

No blood on finger tips.

No dirt on finger tips.

No powder on finger tips.

No trace of any lead dust coating.

No traces of the lubricant from reloading twice. 


Feet

Perfectly clean.

Free from blood staining.

No debris such as sugar.

No mention of foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight.


Nightdress

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on it.

No presence of firearm residue.

No trace of rifle oil.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight.

[JackieD]

Perhaps none of them have told you. I agree it's not the friendliest thing to do but you'd be surprised how some relationships thrive on a little violence..................and she did say he'd shown her sex like never before.

You are trying to normalise everything she does

It is not normal behaviour, that was violent and callous behaviour because she couldn't have what she wanted

A very dangerous women

[susan]

Is this post a joke?

How about Mugfords callous behaviour when she couldn't wait to get in the mortuary and her callous behaviour selling herself to the News of the World

Jackie my thoughts exactly Julie was posing showing her thigh smiling she forgot that the money she was to receive was because of the deaths of 5 people two of them children and the man she loved had just been convicted of their murders this seems callous to me she really should have been heart broken.