Author Topic: Kitchen telephone  (Read 52408 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline notsure

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1684
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #285 on: June 03, 2017, 06:56:PM »
And I'm equally interested to know why you're so adamant that he's innocent and a huge and diverse number of people lied -most having NOTHING to gain from it- and have kept faith with each other for 30+ years.

Well
I am open to him being guilty Jane it's just none of it seems to convince me. That's the problem isn't it with circumstantial cases it's whose story you believe. I would not have convicted on the evidence fence we have available.

I don't actually think that many people lied Jane but then again why do any of them lie in mojs. None have f it makes
Much sense

Offline JackieD

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3879
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #286 on: June 03, 2017, 07:00:PM »
Please point us all to where Julie has held up her hands and confessed to being a liar. I feel perfectly confident that she won't be taking part in any documentary any time soon.
.


She carried out several cheque frauds which she held her hands up
Obviously in any documentary Mugford had major role in the whole case and she would obviously be given the chance to tell her side of the story and why she decided to cash in on the tragedy
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

Offline JackieD

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3879
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #287 on: June 03, 2017, 07:03:PM »
Are you saying that just because MOJ's DO happen, this has to be one? As I said to Lookout, I wonder just how many of the 700 cases of alleged MOJ's are the real deal.

Well you obviously have no idea which ones are real

Are you suggesting we keep them all locked up incase there is one that gets away
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

Offline JackieD

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3879
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #288 on: June 03, 2017, 07:05:PM »
And I'm equally interested to know why you're so adamant that he's innocent and a huge and diverse number of people lied -most having NOTHING to gain from it- and have kept faith with each other for 30+ years.

I suggest you look at the numerous highly intelligent people who do believe Jeremy is innocent and let's start with Ewen smith, Mark Williams Thomas and Simon McKay
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33771
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #289 on: June 03, 2017, 07:12:PM »
Well
I am open to him being guilty Jane it's just none of it seems to convince me. That's the problem isn't it with circumstantial cases it's whose story you believe. I would not have convicted on the evidence fence we have available.

I don't actually think that many people lied Jane but then again why do any of them lie in mojs. None have f it makes
Much sense

To make him innocent you have to make very sweeping excuses for his callous behaviours post massacre.

If his lack of urgency after the alleged call from Nevill fails to make you suspicious, there's his story to Colin about how Ann -allegedly- wanted to cover Sheila's coffin with black roses. There are his attempts to raise cash by selling nude pictures of Sheila to the press. There's his discourtesy in having Sheila cremated without asking Colin what he'd like -albeit they were divorced, she was the mother of his children. There's his total disrespect for the rest of the family in not keeping them in the loop over funeral arrangements. Whilst it maybe said that he wasn't on the best of terms with most of them, what about Auntie Pam, June's sister. Couldn't he have extended a little sympathy by acknowledging her loss? Of course, you can argue that none of this makes him a murderer. However, it surely must make you question his innocence.

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33771
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #290 on: June 03, 2017, 07:14:PM »
Well you obviously have no idea which ones are real

Are you suggesting we keep them all locked up incase there is one that gets away

Well, you obviously have no idea which ones are real.

Are you suggesting we let them all out in case one might be innocent?

Offline Caroline

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 27076
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #291 on: June 03, 2017, 07:15:PM »
I suggest you look at the numerous highly intelligent people who do believe Jeremy is innocent and let's start with Ewen smith, Mark Williams Thomas and Simon McKay

Those are the only ones you ever mention! Not sure that any of them believe he's innocent!
Few people have the imagination for reality

Offline JackieD

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3879
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #292 on: June 03, 2017, 07:20:PM »
Well, you obviously have no idea which ones are real.

Are you suggesting we let them all out in case one might be innocent?


I never suggested anything you did.

I personally believe there are numerous innocent people in prison due to the discraceful behaviour of some police officers who still believe in noble cause corruption
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

Offline susan

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 16196
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #293 on: June 03, 2017, 07:21:PM »
Well
I am open to him being guilty Jane it's just none of it seems to convince me. That's the problem isn't it with circumstantial cases it's whose story you believe. I would not have convicted on the evidence fence we have available.

I don't actually think that many people lied Jane but then again why do any of them lie in mojs. None have f it makes
Much sense

Hello notsure I thought Jeremy was guilty for a short while then I came back to where I started and I firmly believe he is innocent.  IMO I think without the silencer evidence and Julie's statement he would have walked free and I have had it from a good source that his Defence team thought the case would be dismissed.  I have so many doubts about Julie and I honestly believe if Jeremy had stayed with her the case would never have gone to trial.  I have never read that Jeremy has mental health problems but IMO anyone who could murder those two wee boys whilst they slept must have had mental problems.

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33771
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #294 on: June 03, 2017, 07:23:PM »
.


She carried out several cheque frauds which she held her hands up
Obviously in any documentary Mugford had major role in the whole case and she would obviously be given the chance to tell her side of the story and why she decided to cash in on the tragedy

So one misdemeanour at 20 creates her a liar for the rest of her life, despite that she owned up to it. Obviously, I imagine there are those who would take care to warn her and her family that there's a move afoot to create a pro Jeremy documentary. Having kept such a low profile for so long, I can't see her being eager to participate.

Offline JackieD

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3879
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #295 on: June 03, 2017, 07:23:PM »
To make him innocent you have to make very sweeping excuses for his callous behaviours post massacre.

If his lack of urgency after the alleged call from Nevill fails to make you suspicious, there's his story to Colin about how Ann -allegedly- wanted to cover Sheila's coffin with black roses. There are his attempts to raise cash by selling nude pictures of Sheila to the press. There's his discourtesy in having Sheila cremated without asking Colin what he'd like -albeit they were divorced, she was the mother of his children. There's his total disrespect for the rest of the family in not keeping them in the loop over funeral arrangements. Whilst it maybe said that he wasn't on the best of terms with most of them, what about Auntie Pam, June's sister. Couldn't he have extended a little sympathy by acknowledging her loss? Of course, you can argue that none of this makes him a murderer. However, it surely must make you question his innocence.

Is this post a joke?

How about Mugfords callous behaviour when she couldn't wait to get in the mortuary and her callous behaviour selling herself to the News of the World
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33771
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #296 on: June 03, 2017, 07:24:PM »
I suggest you look at the numerous highly intelligent people who do believe Jeremy is innocent and let's start with Ewen smith, Mark Williams Thomas and Simon McKay

Yeah. OK. That's 3

Offline JackieD

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3879
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #297 on: June 03, 2017, 07:24:PM »
So one misdemeanour at 20 creates her a liar for the rest of her life, despite that she owned up to it. Obviously, I imagine there are those who would take care to warn her and her family that there's a move afoot to create a pro Jeremy documentary. Having kept such a low profile for so long, I can't see her being eager to participate.


So you have just accepted you were wrong again
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

Offline Caroline

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 27076
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #298 on: June 03, 2017, 07:28:PM »
Well you obviously have no idea which ones are real

Are you suggesting we keep them all locked up incase there is one that gets away

Are you suggesting we let them all out just in case one might be a real MOJ?
Few people have the imagination for reality

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33771
Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #299 on: June 03, 2017, 07:29:PM »
Is this post a joke?

How about Mugfords callous behaviour when she couldn't wait to get in the mortuary and her callous behaviour selling herself to the News of the World

OH Jackie, Jackie! You've done that one to death. How many more times must you be told that she didn't give the others sleeping pills which left her the only option. Yes. I agree that the NOTW debacle showed her in appalling light....................on the other hand she didn't slaughter her family.