Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[Jane]

Jeremy Bamber is in prison because he would have inherited.  Once his mam and dad were killed, there was nobody to protect him from Robert Boutflour and his daughter.  His daughter had already labelled Jeremy as a 'threat' (to their livelihoods) prior to the killings.  This is a very telling event (IMO) - as it clearly marks Jeremy's card.  Some of Jeremy's own behaviour has simply reinforced the relatives' suspicion of him.  The result being - anything that could be gleaned from events that pointed towards Sheila was dismissed.  Everything that could be interpreted as pointing towards Jeremy was soaked up and fed upon in a kind of frenzy.

I believe much -if not, ALL- of what Ann has to say about Jeremy, to have been a parrot of what RWB said of him. I'm inclined to believe there was no little animosity on RWB's part, towards Nevill. It had been RWB who'd arranged for Nevill to work on the Speakman farm, but it seems that because of Nevill's financial position, he'd become far more affluent than RWB, to the point where it was he, rather than RWB who appeared to be the controlling force. Their positions, despite RWB being the elder AND married to the eldest sister, seem to have reversed. It's possible that RWB saw much of what the  then childless, Bambers had accrued, as eventually finding its way to his side of the family. The advent of Sheila and Jeremy would have put paid to such notions. It's easy to imagine him grumbling/muttering, to Ann and David, about every penny the Bambers appeared to be 'wasting' on the adopted pair., when his two could have put it to much better use if it had been theirs............or his! I have no problem with this. It's how some families are. I'm very reliably told that it's how MOST wealthy families are. It's certainly how MANY families are when it comes to the inclusion of adopted children..........................but it doesn't mean that Jeremy is innocent.

[Steve_uk]

So going by that, "Hello Len" means 'normal'? Elizabeth Smith thinks "all appeared normal" but the shop keeper who saw her prior to her visit with ES, clearly didn't think lipstick on teeth was 'normal'. It really becomes a little confusing, doesn't it?

Maybe the elderly widow didn't notice her lipstick or her mobility issues, which she undoubtedly was suffering from that Tuesday.

[Lucy522]

Or she was brooding over a pending massacre?  'tonight's the night' is probably what was in Sheila's head - not Jeremy's.

That's what I think...

[Steve_uk]

I believe much -if not, ALL- of what Ann has to say about Jeremy, to have been a parrot of what RWB said of him. I'm inclined to believe there was no little animosity on RWB's part, towards Nevill. It had been RWB who'd arranged for Nevill to work on the Speakman farm, but it seems that because of Nevill's financial position, he'd become far more affluent than RWB, to the point where it was he, rather than RWB who appeared to be the controlling force. Their positions, despite RWB being the elder AND married to the eldest sister, seem to have reversed. It's possible that RWB saw much of what the  then childless, Bambers had accrued, as eventually finding its way to his side of the family. The advent of Sheila and Jeremy would have put paid to such notions. It's easy to imagine him grumbling/muttering, to Ann and David, about every penny the Bambers appeared to be 'wasting' on the adopted pair., when his two could have put it to much better use if it had been theirs............or his! I have no problem with this. It's how some families are. I'm very reliably told that it's how MOST wealthy families are. It's certainly how MANY families are when it comes to the inclusion of adopted children..........................but it doesn't mean that Jeremy is innocent.

Of course this is all relative, because with Mabel Speakman's estate to be divided between Pamela and June Robert was hardly in the poorhouse..

[Caroline]

That's what I think...

I certainly don't!

[Jane]

I think she had passed that stage Jane. She now found it an effort to speak, she looked for like-minded people whichever place she frequented but found no solace anywhere. Her conversation with Helen Grimster in which she mentions suicide is indicative of her mental state.

I'm inclined to agree with you, Steve. I was just looking for a reason for why Nevill sounded 'short' during a phone call.

[guest2181]

Agree, Neville wasn't shot in bed, so where was he when his wife and grandchildren and potentially daughter were being slaughtered.? Was Sheila downstairs messing about with the gun? He went downstairs? Had he been to bed? It's so confusing?

Nevill was shot four times in the master bedroom and on the landing. June was shot whilst sitting up from her bed.

Is there a scenario where this can fit Sheila, given that Nevill has already (allegedly) called Jeremy saying that Sheila is going berserk/crazy with the gun?

[Caroline]

Nevill was shot four times in the master bedroom and on the landing. June was shot whilst sitting up from her bed.

Is there a scenario where this can fit Sheila, given that Nevill has already (allegedly) called Jeremy saying that Sheila is going berserk/crazy with the gun?

Nope!

[guest2181]

Nope!

All whilst the twins are fast asleep.

[Jane]

Of course this is all relative, because with Mabel Speakman's estate to be divided between Pamela and June Robert was hardly in the poorhouse..

Indeed Steve. I concur. But wealth is relative, isn't it? RWB's children went to state schools. Their training was technical as opposed to academic. They were both put to work at the family business. I don't recall that either of them enjoyed gap years, OR were financed for doing nothing, by RWB.

[susan]

Don't tell me what to do.

You're knowledge of the case is appalling, considering you have been following the case longer than me. You need to read up on it rather than trying ti tell me what to do.

And please submit you're scenario of how Sheila committed the massacre. Which you said you had. In 2014.

Adam I agree my knowledge on the case is appalling considering I have been on the forum longer than you and my knowledge is rubbish oh dear think I spent too much time larking around with my friends  Did I have a scenario in 2014 so long ago forgot what it is and don't be so touchy I was not really telling you what to do it was merely a suggestion don't be sarcastic it shows you in a bad light but be sarcastic if you want

[Roch]

I believe much -if not, ALL- of what Ann has to say about Jeremy, to have been a parrot of what RWB said of him. I'm inclined to believe there was no little animosity on RWB's part, towards Nevill. It had been RWB who'd arranged for Nevill to work on the Speakman farm, but it seems that because of Nevill's financial position, he'd become far more affluent than RWB, to the point where it was he, rather than RWB who appeared to be the controlling force. Their positions, despite RWB being the elder AND married to the eldest sister, seem to have reversed. It's possible that RWB saw much of what the  then childless, Bambers had accrued, as eventually finding its way to his side of the family. The advent of Sheila and Jeremy would have put paid to such notions. It's easy to imagine him grumbling/muttering, to Ann and David, about every penny the Bambers appeared to be 'wasting' on the adopted pair., when his two could have put it to much better use if it had been theirs............or his! I have no problem with this. It's how some families are. I'm very reliably told that it's how MOST wealthy families are. It's certainly how MANY families are when it comes to the inclusion of adopted children..........................but it doesn't mean that Jeremy is innocent.

The fact that Uncle Bobby's side of the family are not painted in a very good light doesn't make Jeremy innocent.  It doesn't make Sheila innocent either. 

Mike Tesko once labelled Julie Mugford as 'Girlfriend from Hell'.  I think Bobby was 'Uncle from Hell'.  After June and Nevill were correctly judged by police to have been killed by their daughter - he set about framing their son for the killings. 

[Lucy522]

I certainly don't!

No body said you had to caroline.

[Lucy522]

All whilst the twins are fast asleep.

The twins had to of been shot first otherwise they wouldn't of still been in bed sucking  their thumbs (allegedly)

[Jane]

The fact that Uncle Bobby's side of the family are not painted in a very good light doesn't make Jeremy innocent.  It doesn't make Sheila innocent either. 

Mike Tesko once labelled Julie Mugford as 'Girlfriend from Hell'.  I think Bobby was 'Uncle from Hell'.  After June and Nevill were correctly judged by police to have been killed by their daughter - he set about framing their son for the killings.

Well, as the judge said. "It was either Sheila or Jeremy". It was in MT's best interests to turn Jeremy into putty in Julie's hands. It suited the picture of him he wished us to see. I'm inclined, for very personal reasons, to see RWB as the "Uncle from Hell". I'm also HIGHLY suspicious of any father who is happy to be quoted as saying that he has the right to expect total obedience from his adult children, but whilst framing someone is neither moral nor ethical, it doesn't create innocence where there is guilt.