Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[Adam]

Okay then, explain why Neville was rude on the phone earlier in the evening which was unheard of? Sheila was off on the phone to her aunt, her bed wasn't slept in and witness said something was going on that night, when Jeremy wasn't there?

Sheila wasn't off with PB. She just spent 3 - 4 minutes saying 'yes' or 'no'. Almost certainly because she was on Haloperidol.

[Steve_uk]

If Sheila had 'morphed' into the teenaged girl she'd once been -argumentative, belligerent, uncooperative- sullen- it's perfectly possible that Nevill, after working all day, was fed up to the back teeth.

I think she had passed that stage Jane. She now found it an effort to speak, she looked for like-minded people whichever place she frequented but found no solace anywhere. Her conversation with Helen Grimster in which she mentions suicide is indicative of her mental state.

[Steve_uk]

Yes that's what I was referring to, I agree Sheila was very compliant with June.

Yes sorry Lucy I did read your post after I had posted mine.

[Adam]

Nevill could have rushed downstairs already injured wanting to phone the police or Jeremy for help but hot on his tail was Sheila I seem to recall blood was found on the worktop by the phone.

Hot on Nevill's tail was Sheila ?  . She was on Haloperidol.

After being shot 4 times & unable to speak, it was too late for Nevill to spend 5 minutes phoning Bamber. Then 16 minutes later another 5 minutes phoning the fifth furthest police station.

You know this.

[susan]

Maybe Nevill was planning to leave a message on Bamber's answering machine. Although Bamber had turned it off that night.

Adam stop being sarcastic.

[Steve_uk]

Steve can you explain please not sure if I've missed  something here.

Well Jeremy needed an alibi and his plan was to return to the Farm as quickly as possible after the murders so in effect Police would be his alibi. The pretext he came up with to get him back there was the telephone call from his dad requesting his assistance. As has been mentioned here one gets into a very convoluted scenario with the telephone call because it has to be made before Nevill's larynx is broken in the struggle, and he has to be out of the master bedroom in order to make it due to the absence of the telephone in that room.

[susan]

Hot on Nevill's tail was Sheila ?  . She was on Haloperidol.

After being shot 4 times & unable to speak, it was too late for Nevill to spend 5 minutes phoning Bamber. Then 16 minutes later another 5 minutes phoning the fifth furthest police station.

You know this.

Adam how do you know Sheila was unable to speak sadly nobody can tell us as they are dead so you can offer no proof of this just like I can off no proof Sheila murdered her family.

[Adam]

Adam how do you know Sheila was unable to speak sadly nobody can tell us as they are dead so you can offer no proof of this just like I can off no proof Sheila murdered her family.

Because he was shot 4 times upstairs. Which meant he could not speak.

Have you not read up on the case ?

[Lucy522]

Well Jeremy needed an alibi and his plan was to return to the Farm as quickly as possible after the murders so in effect Police would be his alibi. The pretext he came up with to get him back there was the telephone call from his dad requesting his assistance. As has been mentioned here one gets into a very convoluted scenario with the telephone call because it has to be made before Nevill's larynx is broken in the struggle, and he has to be out of the master bedroom in order to make it due to the absence of the telephone in that room.

Agree, Neville wasn't shot in bed, so where was he when his wife and grandchildren and potentially daughter were being slaughtered.? Was Sheila downstairs messing about with the gun? He went downstairs? Had he been to bed? It's so confusing?

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy Bamber is in prison because he would have inherited.  Once his mam and dad were killed, there was nobody to protect him from Robert Boutflour and his daughter.  His daughter had already labelled Jeremy as a 'threat' (to their livelihoods) prior to the killings.  This is a very telling event (IMO) - as it clearly marks Jeremy's card.  Some of Jeremy's own behaviour has simply reinforced the relatives' suspicion of him.  The result being - anything that could be gleaned from events that pointed towards Sheila was dismissed.  Everything that could be interpreted as pointing towards Jeremy was soaked up and fed upon in a kind of frenzy.

But Jeremy was tied to the Farm under the terms of his father's will. He could only escape from his life of drudgery upon his death. Nevill had left his estate to June, so with a double murder that's how Jeremy would inherit. He had already told Dorothy Foakes he wasn't going to share anything with Sheila, and so it transpired. Had the twins lived they would have been entitled to Sheila's share.

This is how Jeremy Bamber's mind worked, it's how it worked 31 years ago and it's how it works to this day.

[Adam]

Adam stop being sarcastic.

Don't tell me what to do.

You're knowledge of the case is appalling, considering you have been following the case longer than me. You need to read up on it rather than trying ti tell me what to do.

And please submit you're scenario of how Sheila committed the massacre. Which you said you had. In 2014.

[Roch]

Sheila wasn't off with PB. She just spent 3 - 4 minutes saying 'yes' or 'no'. Almost certainly because she was on Haloperidol.

Or she was brooding over a pending massacre?  'tonight's the night' is probably what was in Sheila's head - not Jeremy's.

[Steve_uk]

I think given that June had said she wanted her friend or family member to pray for Sheila and asked for someone to come and form an opinion of her health as he was so worried, June knew Sheila was heading for another breakdown, and the person who was sat at the table and said Sheila was very quiet an blurted out all people are evil and should be killed, they knew something was brewing.

Yes the Bambers had taken their eye off the ball, their hands full with Sheila's problems. Then came Jeremy..

[Adam]

Agree, Neville wasn't shot in bed, so where was he when his wife and grandchildren and potentially daughter were being slaughtered.? Was Sheila downstairs messing about with the gun? He went downstairs? Had he been to bed? It's so confusing?

You confuse yourself.

The Bamber scenario is very simple. And matches the crime scene. But all high profile cases will have conspiracy theorists.

[Adam]

Or she was brooding over a pending massacre?  'tonight's the night' is probably what was in Sheila's head - not Jeremy's.