The only opportunity Bamber had to kill his sister, was after 8.10am!!!

[mike tesko]

I sincerely hope that all the relatives of those in prison have read and are reading about JM and her criminal background and how she wormed her way out of a prison sentence KNOWING that someone was about to murder an entire family ! It ought to be headlined.

The impression I got through intense and prolonged discussions with Jeremy about the so called prior knowledge which Julie Mugford claimed to be a party to, prior to the shootings occurring,  was a red herring!!!

The only guilty knowledge Julie Mugford harboured inside her mind in the months leading up to the shootings, involved information about a burgalry of the family run Osea Road Caravan park office,  the year before when almost £1000 cash had been stolen. I am satisfied that she was not told by Jeremy anything whatsoever to do with planning to shoot dead his family. She made it up after she and Jeremy split up. She was distressed by the experience of having to attend the hospital mortuary to identify each of the five victims. According to Jeremy this experience really freaked Julie out. She couldn't stop talking about their dead bodies. In particular, she told Jeremy how upon seeing Sheila how she had attempted to communicate with Sheila, asking her why it had come to this? Julie Mugford believed at the time of the identification of the bodies that Sheila had shot the other four victims and then killed herself by way of a single shot beneath the point of the chin. As she said this to Jeremy who was in the company of relatives and police officers at his cottage, Julie pointed the index finger of her hand to her throat to denote where the shot she was referring to had entered. She thought Sheila had shot the others, and she believed that Sheila had killed herself. If things had been any different at that time she had the opportunity to reveal her concerns at the time she identified the bodies, and upon returning to Jeremy's cottage with an audience of the police and the relatives...

[mike tesko]

I believe that Julie Mugfords delayed account,  and failure by herself,  relatives, and the police, to prevent the disposal of the bodies of the victims,  illustrates the desperate measures adopted by the prosecution during the trial so that they could convict Jeremy of his sisters murder by default, and by implication the murders of the other four victims...

[Jane]

I believe that Julie Mugfords delayed account,  and failure by herself,  relatives, and the police, to prevent the disposal of the bodies of the victims,  illustrates the desperate measures adopted by the prosecution during the trial so that they could convict Jeremy of his sisters murder by default, and by implication the murders of the other four victims...

The bodies were 'disposed of' with unseemly haste. Once they were released no one but Jeremy could decide what was to be done with them, and when. He was the next of kin.

[David1819]

His avoidance of Julie Mugford is a HUGE red flag!!

Julie Mugford's testimony was already undermined at trial. There is no need to pursue her in this respect. Because the Judge had cautioned the Jury about her credibility it would make little difference if she retracted IMO. Thou it could make her vulnerable to perjury charges.

[Stephanie]

Julie Mugford's testimony was already undermined at trial. There is no need to pursue her in this respect. Because the Judge had cautioned the Jury about her credibility it would make little difference if she retracted IMO. Thou it could make her vulnerable to perjury charges.

And he was found guilty! So why don't you respond to the posters who support Bamber and remind them of this, as opposed to those that don't?

Regardless of what the trial judge said - we are talking about the fact Jeremy Bamber has never ever publicly disputed any of her evidence! Very telling, and what was it the defence said during SH's trial - indicative of guilt!

[David1819]

Regardless of what the trial judge said - we are talking about the fact Jeremy Bamber has never ever publicly disputed any of her evidence! Very telling,

Why dispute evidence that's already been refuted?

 

[lookout]

The impression I got through intense and prolonged discussions with Jeremy about the so called prior knowledge which Julie Mugford claimed to be a party to, prior to the shootings occurring,  was a red herring!!!

The only guilty knowledge Julie Mugford harboured inside her mind in the months leading up to the shootings, involved information about a burgalry of the family run Osea Road Caravan park office,  the year before when almost £1000 cash had been stolen. I am satisfied that she was not told by Jeremy anything whatsoever to do with planning to shoot dead his family. She made it up after she and Jeremy split up. She was distressed by the experience of having to attend the hospital mortuary to identify each of the five victims. According to Jeremy this experience really freaked Julie out. She couldn't stop talking about their dead bodies. In particular, she told Jeremy how upon seeing Sheila how she had attempted to communicate with Sheila, asking her why it had come to this? Julie Mugford believed at the time of the identification of the bodies that Sheila had shot the other four victims and then killed herself by way of a single shot beneath the point of the chin. As she said this to Jeremy who was in the company of relatives and police officers at his cottage, Julie pointed the index finger of her hand to her throat to denote where the shot she was referring to had entered. She thought Sheila had shot the others, and she believed that Sheila had killed herself. If things had been any different at that time she had the opportunity to reveal her concerns at the time she identified the bodies, and upon returning to Jeremy's cottage with an audience of the police and the relatives...

Mike,I'm more than aware that JM "romanced " in her version of Jeremy just for revenge sake. Then as soon as money had been mentioned as regards their courtship,or rather " her courtship with a murderer " she dealt as much dirt as could be mustered.
To be perfectly honest,I don't think that JM realised how far her little ploy of revenge would go. I think she'd just wanted to spite and scare him for dropping her for someone else and the whole affair backfired.

[mike tesko]

It was good that Julie told the police about the caravan break in. Even though it would also incriminate her.

She could have not mentioned it and the police or public will never know who did it. Bamber was never going to volunteer this information to the police. the relatives all suspected Jeremy at the time of the burglary, so it was no surprise when he admitted the offence during police interview in September 1985...

Julie may have told the police as she felt it was related to the massacre She might have thought whatever she liked. She was obviously influenced by the nature of the break up with Jeremy. She wanted to hurt him. She tried to suffocate him with a pillow, and smashed a mirror in a tantrum because he was talking to another woman on the telephone (after the shootings). Julie Mugford was a bit of a drama queen if the truth be known. She went out of her way to make Jeremy's life a living hell. There's no doubt about it that she was a wounded prosecution witness with a bite!!! - Bamber committing a crime against his family for financial gain only months before the massacre. No, actually, not entirely correct, he shared the proceeds with Julie and another, but that's another story...  It backs up her Witness Statement. Maybe, it weakens what she eventually came out with in the many different versions of her witness statement...

A bit calculated but it is true that Bamber committed the caravan break in. Which the relatives suspected be had committed, and to which Bamber himself readily admitted to...

[mike tesko]

If that were me and I was innocent, I would make sure I condemned her at every opportunity and make sure the world knew she had lied.

I would just like to add that whilst living on a daily basis alongside Bamber on B Wing, at HMP Full Sutton, between the spring of 1989 until the 27th July 1990, when I was granted bail pending my first appeal, Jeremy spoke very bitterly to me of Julie Mugford. You could tell that she had riled him, and done what she threatened to do to him, and won. The impression I got at the time (in the role of a person observer), was that Jeremy abhorred her. He did not actually get angry when he spoke about her, but you could sense that when he talked to me about her, he knew in his own mind that she had caused him untold damage with her lies and exaggerations. I myself had witnessed this in my own case, years before, when bitter family members of mine, had lied through their teeth to the cops and made witness statements to try and make me look bad. I felt the same sort of pain, which Jeremy was hinting at me when he spoke about Julie Mugford. I now realise that police officers had paraphrased the contents of my families witness statements, forging the phrases to suit the case the officer knew he or she was trying to prove. Looking back, I now realise that Jeremy was trapped in the same scenario that I found myself trapped in during the mid 1980's, onward...

[Steve_uk]

I would just like to add that whilst living on a daily basis alongside Bamber on B Wing, at HMP Full Sutton, between the spring of 1989 until the 27th July 1990, when I was granted bail pending my first appeal, Jeremy spoke very bitterly to me of Julie Mugford. You could tell that she had riled him, and done what she threatened to do to him, and won. The impression I got at the time (in the role of a person observer), was that Jeremy abhorred her. He did not actually get angry when he spoke about her, but you could sense that when he talked to me about her, he knew in his own mind that she had caused him untold damage with her lies and exaggerations. I myself had witnessed this in my own case, years before, when bitter family members of mine, had lied through their teeth to the cops and made witness statements to try and make me look bad. I felt the same sort of pain, which Jeremy was hinting at me when he spoke about Julie Mugford. I now realise that police officers had paraphrased the contents of my families witness statements, forging the phrases to suit the case the officer knew he or she was trying to prove. Looking back, I now realise that Jeremy was trapped in the same scenario that I found myself trapped in during the mid 1980's, onward...

I wonder if Jeremy felt put out to grass when his parents decided they would accommodate him in Bourtree Cottage? He was evidently getting too old to be browbeaten and ordered home at a certain time, and presumably the point of furnishing him with his own place was that it afforded him the possibility of entertaining his own friends, who June would be unlikely to countenance at White House Farm.

Under these circumstances I don't find it implausible that he did use Julie as confidante and his irrational and untrammelled feelings given full vent in her direction. Maybe this would have remained an inchoate plan had she protested more vehemently, but when she acted like a doormat it wasn't surprising Jeremy walked over her.

[lookout]

I would just like to add that whilst living on a daily basis alongside Bamber on B Wing, at HMP Full Sutton, between the spring of 1989 until the 27th July 1990, when I was granted bail pending my first appeal, Jeremy spoke very bitterly to me of Julie Mugford. You could tell that she had riled him, and done what she threatened to do to him, and won. The impression I got at the time (in the role of a person observer), was that Jeremy abhorred her. He did not actually get angry when he spoke about her, but you could sense that when he talked to me about her, he knew in his own mind that she had caused him untold damage with her lies and exaggerations. I myself had witnessed this in my own case, years before, when bitter family members of mine, had lied through their teeth to the cops and made witness statements to try and make me look bad. I felt the same sort of pain, which Jeremy was hinting at me when he spoke about Julie Mugford. I now realise that police officers had paraphrased the contents of my families witness statements, forging the phrases to suit the case the officer knew he or she was trying to prove. Looking back, I now realise that Jeremy was trapped in the same scenario that I found myself trapped in during the mid 1980's, onward...

It would appear that Jeremy hasn't been able to do right for doing wrong :
The so-called " lack of emotion" at the funeral,or a " put-on " version of crying.
The " pretence " of throwing up when told of the bad news outside WHF.
His " calm and calculated " behaviour at knowing JM told lies.

Look at this another way :
What if he'd been crying hysterically/uncontrollably at the funeral ? It would then have been said that he'd been putting it on.
As for throwing-up,how can one pretend when it's a normal reaction in some when they receive bad news ?
If he'd been arrested kicking and screaming and shouting obscenities towards JB,he'd have been classed as guilty.
How was this man supposed to have behaved under these said circumstances ??

There ARE people who keep their feelings in who don't throw hysterics at the drop of a hat just to please others ! Jeremy is one of them. He's level-headed and he knew there was a lot of work to do to get himself out of the horrendous situation he was in. Without outside help,he'd have been lost. His main aim was to " find " someone who he could trust and who would also believe in him too and that someone was Mike who started the ball rolling.
Who else would Jeremy have had to have broken this illegal cycle of imprisonment ?

[Jane]

It would appear that Jeremy hasn't been able to do right for doing wrong :
The so-called " lack of emotion" at the funeral,or a " put-on " version of crying.
The " pretence " of throwing up when told of the bad news outside WHF.
His " calm and calculated " behaviour at knowing JM told lies.

Look at this another way :
What if he'd been crying hysterically/uncontrollably at the funeral ? It would then have been said that he'd been putting it on.
As for throwing-up,how can one pretend when it's a normal reaction in some when they receive bad news ?
If he'd been arrested kicking and screaming and shouting obscenities towards JB,he'd have been classed as guilty.
How was this man supposed to have behaved under these said circumstances ??

There ARE people who keep their feelings in who don't throw hysterics at the drop of a hat just to please others ! Jeremy is one of them. He's level-headed and he knew there was a lot of work to do to get himself out of the horrendous situation he was in. Without outside help,he'd have been lost. His main aim was to " find " someone who he could trust and who would also believe in him too and that someone was Mike who started the ball rolling.
Who else would Jeremy have had to have broken this illegal cycle of imprisonment ?

His behaviours, post murders, were anything BUT level headed. Level headed wouldn't have partied/traveled/tried to sell pictures of his murdered sister just weeks after the tragedy.

[Stephanie]

His behaviours, post murders, were anything BUT level headed. Level headed wouldn't have partied/traveled/tried to sell pictures of his murdered sister just weeks after the tragedy.

I agree Jane! And the idea Jeremy Bamber needs help from Jo bloggs on the outside is a misconception. Jeremy Bambers only way of clearing his name is via the law and via legal representation. His campaign is nothing more than attention seeking, which has ultimately back fired on him. And appears to be the case for most of these "innocent" campaigns. Need I give examples. 

[Stephanie]

I would just like to add that whilst living on a daily basis alongside Bamber on B Wing, at HMP Full Sutton, between the spring of 1989 until the 27th July 1990, when I was granted bail pending my first appeal, Jeremy spoke very bitterly to me of Julie Mugford. You could tell that she had riled him, and done what she threatened to do to him, and won. The impression I got at the time (in the role of a person observer), was that Jeremy abhorred her. He did not actually get angry when he spoke about her, but you could sense that when he talked to me about her, he knew in his own mind that she had caused him untold damage with her lies and exaggerations. I myself had witnessed this in my own case, years before, when bitter family members of mine, had lied through their teeth to the cops and made witness statements to try and make me look bad. I felt the same sort of pain, which Jeremy was hinting at me when he spoke about Julie Mugford. I now realise that police officers had paraphrased the contents of my families witness statements, forging the phrases to suit the case the officer knew he or she was trying to prove. Looking back, I now realise that Jeremy was trapped in the same scenario that I found myself trapped in during the mid 1980's, onward...

Interestingly Mike, SH also appears to have spoken bitterly of me prior to and following his confession. He was telling one person one thing and another the opposite. What he also appears to have done is given conflicting accounts; so he'd tell someone something one day, then he'd tell them the opposite the next. What does however appear clear is he was choosing what he would tell what audience and his stories (And actions) appear to have been calculated. It's as though he'd sized up the person he was telling a story to and would have some idea of what they may do with that story.

[Caroline]

It would appear that Jeremy hasn't been able to do right for doing wrong :
The so-called " lack of emotion" at the funeral,or a " put-on " version of crying.
The " pretence " of throwing up when told of the bad news outside WHF.
His " calm and calculated " behaviour at knowing JM told lies.

Look at this another way :
What if he'd been crying hysterically/uncontrollably at the funeral ? It would then have been said that he'd been putting it on.
As for throwing-up,how can one pretend when it's a normal reaction in some when they receive bad news ?
If he'd been arrested kicking and screaming and shouting obscenities towards JB,he'd have been classed as guilty.
How was this man supposed to have behaved under these said circumstances ??

There ARE people who keep their feelings in who don't throw hysterics at the drop of a hat just to please others ! Jeremy is one of them. He's level-headed and he knew there was a lot of work to do to get himself out of the horrendous situation he was in. Without outside help,he'd have been lost. His main aim was to " find " someone who he could trust and who would also believe in him too and that someone was Mike who started the ball rolling.
Who else would Jeremy have had to have broken this illegal cycle of imprisonment ?

He did put on a show at the funeral, pretending to almost faint. Also, he wasn't sick in front of anyone,he went off into the field and pretended to retch. Jeremy's 'feelings' came out when he thought it appropriate to do so - such as being shown around WHF after the murders. Problem is, he couldn't keep up the show for long and he could switch off the grief act instantaneously.