The window catch issue

[maggie]

 

Neville, June. Or Bamber.

If a window is worth shutting.....

[Romeo]

Or the said bedroom window fingerprinted/investigated,on the outside  ?

JB was organised....he wore Gloves.

As for a ladder, I would suspect JB used the farm ladder at some point whilst working on the farm.

[maggie]

Or the said bedroom window fingerprinted/investigated,on the outside  ?

Probably not Lookout, don't believe there's any record of finger printing or even serious consideration of an easily accessed open window. 

Even tho I am leaning more towards guilty, I do believe EP made a proper dogs breakfast of the inquiry and have little to be proud of.

[Romeo]

I agree Maggie....  But in fairness they were under the impression this was a murder/suicide from the 'off'. It was only later they realised the mistakes/blunders they had made in obtaining and keeping vital evidence.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Jane,

I am not saying that I believe they colluded but rather that it is a possibility because we only know what has been written and spoken of, we have no knowledge about whether JB and Sheila were in touch by phone or any other way or what her true state of mind was etc.   

Her friends may or may not have known her true and complete state of mind and how psychotic she may or may not have been.

In the same vein, we have no idea about Julie Mugford and where her head was at this time other than what she has chosen to tell us.  There has always been a deafening silence from Jeremy on the subject of JM.

In truth we know very little about the individuals in this case apart from hearsay from friends and their own evidence.  The victims sadly are unable to give their accounts.

So many red herrings and we will never know the details of this case but I think as far as t is possible at this time we know the truth.

Maybe because as Julie herself related, he had "entrusted his life to her" and ultimately as he saw it he was betrayed. Of course had this just been a matter of white collar Osea Road crime I think most would have forgiven him after 31 years, but the death of five is another matter entirely.

[lookout]

Probably not Lookout, don't believe there's any record of finger printing or even serious consideration of an easily accessed open window. 

Even tho I am leaning more towards guilty, I do believe EP made a proper dogs breakfast of the inquiry and have little to be proud of.

For the " top man/overseer ( Mick Gradwell ) " to have intimated that the investigation stunk,it's only right at this point to see through another referral. Many guilters admit that the case had been mishandled and there's no doubt about that.

[lookout]

 In light of the window catch pic on twitter,why haven't EP denied it if they think it's wrong ? I know officers use the site and EP are no exception,so why the silence ?

[Jane]

In light of the window catch pic on twitter,why haven't EP denied it if they think it's wrong ? I know officers use the site and EP are no exception,so why the silence ?

A) I don't imagine ANY of those officers using "twitter" now had anything to do with the case OR were even born when it happened.

B) If that is the case then extreme caution would be their watchword, EVEN if their silence on the matter has been suggested.
         

[maggie]

Maybe because as Julie herself related, he had "entrusted his life to her" and ultimately as he saw it he was betrayed. Of course had this just been a matter of white collar Osea Road crime I think most would have forgiven him after 31 years, but the death of five is another matter entirely.

I tend to think if he felt betrayed by Julie we would have heard about it and the fact he is so quiet about her and any involvement or knowledge she may have had is because he would incriminate himself by voicing his sense of betrayal and anger.

[lookout]

A) I don't imagine ANY of those officers using "twitter" now had anything to do with the case OR were even born when it happened.

B) If that is the case then extreme caution would be their watchword, EVEN if their silence on the matter has been suggested.
       

 

There were dozens of officers in and out of the farmhouse. Many would be coming up for retirement ( 55 ? ) who would have remembered the tragedy clearly ( their job not to forget anything,isn't it ? ) so why " caution " especially those who have retired because they're then exempt from any backlash anyway and can't be charged with wrong-doing ?

[Jane]

 

There were dozens of officers in and out of the farmhouse. Many would be coming up for retirement ( 55 ? ) who would have remembered the tragedy clearly ( their job not to forget anything,isn't it ? ) so why " caution " especially those who have retired because they're then exempt from any backlash anyway and can't be charged with wrong-doing ?

I feel certain that they all recall the brouhaha which followed the case, but for those coming up for retirement now, it was probably their first major case and they'd have had no yardstick by which to judge it. I don't believe it's they who would complain about how the investigation was carried out as they'd have lacked the experience. I have the feeling that conversations about the case MAY be reserved for private gatherings like the funeral my friend recently attended. You must remember Lookout that those as incensed about what you believe to be his wrongful conviction are in the minority. I believe the majority of police, past and present, simply followed orders and probably believe they did their duty.

[guest7363]

I tend to think if he felt betrayed by Julie we would have heard about it and the fact he is so quiet about her and any involvement or knowledge she may have had is because he would incriminate himself by voicing his sense of betrayal and anger.

I have the same hunch about Brett Collins, I think one day, more will come from him?  You would think how close they were he would be leading the campaign, does anyone know if he ever accused Julie of making things up?

[Jane]

I have the same hunch about Brett Collins, I think one day, more will come from him?  You would think how close they were he would be leading the campaign, does anyone know if he ever accused Julie of making things up?

I think Brett Collins was more than capable of getting in -and OUT- of his own messes and thought it best to slink quietly away from anyone else's in case he found himself implicated. He probably knows rather more than he let on.

[Steve_uk]

I have the same hunch about Brett Collins, I think one day, more will come from him?  You would think how close they were he would be leading the campaign, does anyone know if he ever accused Julie of making things up?

Well it was rather convenient he was in Mykonos at the time of the tragedy. Yet another convenience for Jeremy with the confusion of the lightning strike, Nevill's hand-held phone inoperable, Sheila's shocking physical state and all gathered together under one roof.

I can't help but compare strands of this case to Bart Whitaker, who couldn't admit to his parents having flunked his studies(similarities here to the David Bain case). It seems that in the interior of these individuals is an all-consuming rage which blinkers them to reality, though with Bart Whitaker at least we get remorse as there are at least some good times to fall back on, whereas with Jeremy there's just a desolate void.
http://www.mamamia.com.au/bart-whitaker-inside-story/

[maggie]

I have the same hunch about Brett Collins, I think one day, more will come from him?  You would think how close they were he would be leading the campaign, does anyone know if he ever accused Julie of making things up?

I do agree, it is odd how he just melted away and was never spoken of again??