Author Topic: The Secret Land deal - relatives did not want anyone to find out about?  (Read 40300 times)

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chochokeira

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Keira,   I always expected to get abuse for my views, but didn't expect to have to defend my career! lol ......

Is there actually anything that you can say on here and be believed? lol


It gets worse once the staunch anti-JB crowd return. One of them, who shall be nameless, labelled me a witch, ngb1066 a serial liar and threatened Jackie with scalping - and I don't believe he was joking.

chochokeira

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Right, got distracted reading another thread.....

My name is Vic, can we drop the vidvic. I now produce mainly sports shows and produce for big events, massive video screens and such.

I'm sorry that my list of reasons was 'same old' but I believe what I believe.

I am not a blood expert, but the pictures of Sheila's wounds, to my eye, and I was a photographic interpreter in the RAF, DO NOT show 'flowing' blood. The shine, that gives that impression comes from the flash light, but I am sure that various experts have a view either way.

The photographs are however, supported by scene of crime reports from one or more officers who stated that Sheila's blood was still flowing when they found her.

I won't press you on the rigor mortis and lividity issues as you appear to be experiencing difficulty addressing these. Take all the time you need.

chochokeira

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Right, got distracted reading another thread.....

My name is Vic, can we drop the vidvic. I now produce mainly sports shows and produce for big events, massive video screens and such.

I'm sorry that my list of reasons was 'same old' but I believe what I believe.

I am not a blood expert, but the pictures of Sheila's wounds, to my eye, and I was a photographic interpreter in the RAF, DO NOT show 'flowing' blood. The shine, that gives that impression comes from the flash light, but I am sure that various experts have a view either way.

Then why would the shine from the flash light be confined solely to the photographs of Sheila's blood? Mike has said that photographs of Nevill and June clearly show their blood to be congealed and not flowing.

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Vic
Would you agree that Jeremy was convicted on just circumstantial evidence

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I think you have to remember Keira is that from the family's viewpoint, what happened to them is unimaginable. Whether you believe JB or Sheila did it, they lost 5 members of their family in horiffic circumstances.
They, or anyone who cares for them, will always find it incredibly hard to understand how anyone can put up a defence of JB. They are not going to be tactful.
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No Jackie, I don't believe that at all.
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The first actual known wherabouts of JB is at around 4.00am at WHF. We don't know where he was until then. I have repeatedly read on here and seen it on blogs and youtube videos that he was with police from 3.30. Again, this is 'time creep'. We don't know how long he took to kill them all. Possibly June and Nevill were murdered a lot earlier than Sheila.
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Keira, as I understand it, rigor mortis only STARTS to kick in after approx 3 Hours (though this can vary) and it reaches it's peak after 12 Hours. It is not an instant thing......
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Vidvic there is not one single piece of evidence JB committed the murders
Give me one single piece of evidence

chochokeira

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The first actual known wherabouts of JB is at around 4.00am at WHF. We don't know where he was until then. I have repeatedly read on here and seen it on blogs and youtube videos that he was with police from 3.30. Again, this is 'time creep'. We don't know how long he took to kill them all. Possibly June and Nevill were murdered a lot earlier than Sheila.

It sounds to me as though someone is doing some time creep of their own here.

Could you explain how you arrive at JB's whereabouts being unknown until
4 am.

Also, if Sheila was killed later than the others, what do you believe she was doing in the intervening period? Why didn't she escape?

I've just lost a long reply to you when I timed out and I'm off to bed. I'll redo it tomorrow if I have time.


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Right, got distracted reading another thread.....

My name is Vic, can we drop the vidvic. I now produce mainly sports shows and produce for big events, massive video screens and such.

I'm sorry that my list of reasons was 'same old' but I believe what I believe.

I am not a blood expert, but the pictures of Sheila's wounds, to my eye, and I was a photographic interpreter in the RAF, DO NOT show 'flowing' blood. The shine, that gives that impression comes from the flash light, but I am sure that various experts have a view either way.

Then why would the shine from the flash light be confined solely to the photographs of Sheila's blood? Mike has said that photographs of Nevill and June clearly show their blood to be congealed and not flowing.
If she had been dead for more that 3 hours I should think her blood would be dried. Also why did she not have rigor mortis as was the case of Ralph?

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The first actual known wherabouts of JB is at around 4.00am at WHF. We don't know where he was until then. I have repeatedly read on here and seen it on blogs and youtube videos that he was with police from 3.30. Again, this is 'time creep'. We don't know how long he took to kill them all. Possibly June and Nevill were murdered a lot earlier than Sheila.

It sounds to me as though someone is doing some time creep of their own here.

Could you explain how you arrive at JB's whereabouts being unknown until
4 am.

Also, if Sheila was killed later than the others, what do you believe she was doing in the intervening period? Why didn't she escape?

I've just lost a long reply to you when I timed out and I'm off to bed. I'll redo it tomorrow if I have time.

Just before 4, when the police car overtook JB on his way to WHF is the first time JB is seen since the evening before.
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Apologies if this has already been covered, but why would the Bambers have discussed fostering the twins, as JB claims, if they were already living mainly with Colin?....
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Jeremy leaves gun in kitchen having shot rabbits without the sights on. For a start, especially with the twins in the house, Nevill would never have left it there. Secondly, what would JB have been doing shooting rabbits without the sight? (Bit convenient this rifle just lying around)



There were guns all over WHF, Vic. Guns in the gun cupboard, two on the stairs (used as a makeshift cupboard for the kitchen), a bandolier of bullets hanging on the door, a loaded shotgun under Nevill's bed at one stage. A gun on the settle would hardly have been out of place.

My family lived in Tolleshunt D'Arcy and surrounding villages for centuries. I'm a local historian, researching for a book about the district, so I know this part of the world quite well.

This was a tiny village in deepest Essex in the midst of gun and wildfowling country: the sort of village where many a house and tiny cottage had a gun on the settle.

Just 50 years previously, this was a wild, lawless place on Tiptree Heath: smuggler country within the district of a rotten borough, where locals were no lovers of authority or of snooping revenue men. It was then the sort of place where old families and money ruled with rough justice - or no justice at all. A place where the local lord of manor and GP, among others, bought elections by locking the other side's supporters in the pub with copious free beer and by hiring gangs of villains to help them personally beat up those who wore the other side's colours or who attempted to vote against their man.

Have things changed? Of course, yet old ways die hard. A few years ago I stood on the public highway, my back to a small farm, taking photographs of views across the fields to the coast. Out came the farmer: what did I think I was doing photographing his land! What was I up to? He stood behind his hedge, so I couldn't see whether he'd a shotgun or not, but I felt the menace of it in his tone.

Remember too that this was the 1980s, a time before the EU and its legions of bureaucrats and Health and Safety edicts had taken over our lives. It was a different world to ours.
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Keira, yes there were, but they were either well hidden or broken down and made safe. Nevill would never have left a loaded rifle where the children might find it.

And why could JB not remember if he'd shot at rabbits or not?
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