The Secret Land deal - relatives did not want anyone to find out about?

[chochokeira]

If JB is innocent and the family framed him, then the silencer wasn't used. How can you shoot all those different people without anyone making an escape without the silencer?

Mike's already explained this. Given that no one, not even the experts who gave evidence in court, could determine with certainty the order with which family members were shot, questions in respect of the shootings are difficult to answer without the use of speculation. If Sheila was the killer and the boys were shot first, then only Nevill and June remained to be shot before Sheila ritualistically threw her clothes into a couple of buckets filled with water, showered and turned the gun on herself. So, there wasn't a family to escape as such, just either Nevill or June. It only becomes more complex if you theorise Jeremy as the killer, then there's the question of why Sheila did not escape while JB was allegedly killing the other two.

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic why did your friends take the silencer home why wouldnt they call the police if they were certain Jeremy was the killer.  Taking the silencer home could have ruined the forensic evidence they would have known that

If your friends were to upset to identify the body dont you think its strange that Anne Eaton took home a bucket of bloody clothes

I feel Ann Eatons behaviour in doing that could potentially show she was plotting to frame Jeremy

All the events that I describe here make me very suspicious

As you know and like these people could you explain what on earth Neville could have done to receive an attack from Peter Eaton

I have never read anything about violence in Neville and Junes house this violent behaviour must have really shocked him and even frightened him

Was Peter Eaton bought up with violence at home I dont believe Jeremy was

[Jackiepreece]

Because I added the crime channel to my sky package I have been watching quite a few murder stories and I have heard police officers mentioned people they have found dead having a look of sheer horror on their face does anyone know more about this because Sheila looked quite beautiful as if she was asleep

[vidvic]

only Nevill and June remained to be shot before Sheila ritualistically threw her clothes into a couple of buckets filled with water, showered and turned the gun on herself

Wild speculation.

[chochokeira]

only Nevill and June remained to be shot before Sheila ritualistically threw her clothes into a couple of buckets filled with water, showered and turned the gun on herself

Wild speculation.

You are entirely correct. That's why I preceded my comments with:

Given that no one, not even the experts who gave evidence in court, could determine with certainty the order with which family members were shot, questions in respect of the shootings are difficult to answer without the use of speculation.

[vidvic]

Because I added the crime channel to my sky package I have been watching quite a few murder stories and I have heard police officers mentioned people they have found dead having a look of sheer horror on their face does anyone know more about this because Sheila looked quite beautiful as if she was asleep

Go for it Jackie! This will almost certainly clear his name.....

[grahameb]

Nevill would never have left a loaded rifle where the children might find it.

And yet he kept a loaded shotgun under his bed?

[vidvic]

Vidvic why did your friends take the silencer home why wouldnt they call the police if they were certain Jeremy was the killer.  Taking the silencer home could have ruined the forensic evidence they would have known that  Is this along the same lines as "why didnt JB dial 999, why didn't he rush to the house??"

If your friends were to upset to identify the body dont you think its strange that Anne Eaton took home a bucket of bloody clothes Ann was prepared to identify them and went with JM.

I feel Ann Eatons behaviour in doing that could potentially show she was plotting to frame Jeremy
Based on what?
All the events that I describe here make me very suspicious
GOSH
As you know and like these people could you explain what on earth Neville could have done to receive an attack from Peter Eaton
An attack! Did this really happen? Are you sure?......
I have never read anything about violence in Neville and Junes house this violent behaviour must have really shocked him and even frightened him Not as frightened as he was of suffering a shooting accident on the farm.......

[Alias]

Apologies if this has already been covered, but why would the Bambers have discussed fostering the twins, as JB claims, if they were already living mainly with Colin?....

I don't see that as being improbable. I think they were all increasingly worried about Sheila being ALONE with the twins - wouldn't you? Sheila had confided to a doctor that she thought they were the Devil's children, that they were capable of having sex with her and kill her. Colin couldn't be there 24/7, that would leave Sheila who, frankly, wasn't fit for the task. Not her own fault. Have you seen what I found about the medication Sheila was on? Her dosage of Haloperidol had abruptly been halved - that creates EXTREMELY DANGEROUS withdrawal symptoms. Andrea Yates, who killed her five children, had abruptly been taken off the same medication.

Please read what I found on the drug Sheila was on:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,869.0.html

[vidvic]

Abs, totally respect what you say about her medication, but point I'm making is that the twins were already living with Colin, not Sheila and I am absolutely certain that if they were that concerned about their safety (and I've never heard they were) then they would have preferred Colin to have them than try and put them into care. Colin would have never allowed that anyway.

That is why I believe this conversation never happened.

[Alias]

Abs, totally respect what you say about her medication, but point I'm making is that the twins were already living with Colin, not Sheila and I am absolutely certain that if they were that concerned about their safety (and I've never heard they were) then they would have preferred Colin to have them than try and put them into care. Colin would have never allowed that anyway.

That is why I believe this conversation never happened.

The twins had been in partial foster care while Colin had them earlier. I think it is very possible that he wanted some free time, new girlfriend, his work etc.

[chochokeira]

Keira, yes there were, but they were either well hidden or broken down and made safe. Nevill would never have left a loaded rifle where the children might find it.

And why could JB not remember if he'd shot at rabbits or not?

Two rifles on the stairs and a bandolier of bullets hanging on the inside of the door...

I can't remember what Jeremy said about the rabbits, any chance of a reminding me?

[Tyler]

Vic hi,

JB may not have rushed to the house as he may have been scared? Took time in pondering what to do for the best?

We are led to believe that although AE took JM to identify the victims,AE did not do so herself as she could not tell the twins apart?

When JB was telling the police his version of events on the morning of the murders,could shock not have made him confused in recalling previous events,times etc?This was not accounted for by the relatives.Instead they beame suspicious sleuth detectives whilst all the while being nice to his face.Why on earth did they not confront him?

I believe that Nevilles paranoia about being killed in a shooting "accident* is linked to the reason he had a panic alarm installed and slept with a shotgun under his bed.Are you trying to say that this was all down to a fear of Jeremy?

You seem a really nice guy and I can fully understand your loyallty to your friends/relatives,but to be fair,most of your opinions are just as speculative as everybody elses,because nobody but JB,actually knows the truth.

[chochokeira]

Sheila didn't have anywhere near enough blood on her top to suggest she could possibly have shot herself once, moved, then had another go. Oh, and without hardly a trace of anything on her hands to suggest she'd fired the rifle anyhow....

There is a photograph on the forum showing a close up of one of Sheila's hands. This picture shows without a shadow of doubt that the police were entirely wrong to tell the court that Sheila's hands were spotlessly clean' when they were anythign but clean. The hand and arm in the photo are blood stained and the hand has a distinctive marking - bruise, oil, or other substance? - which would be entirely consistent with Sheila having fired a gun.

Abs: do you remember which thread that photo can be found under, please? I can't find it.

There was also a blood stained hand print on sheila's nightdress which appears to have been Sheila's, that would suggest there was blood on Sheila's palm.

As the police failed to accurately record this crucial evidence, I have no confidence in their findings regarding gun residue - it's known too that Sheila's residue test findings were confused with someone else's.

[Newbury1]

Nevill would never have left a loaded rifle where the children might find it.

And yet he kept a loaded shotgun under his bed?

However the shotgun NB usually kept under the bed was not under the bed at the time of the murders (as I am sure NB would have used it if he could - rather than running dowstairs to make a phone call  ) and I believe this shotgun was photographed by EP near the gun cupboard in the office.

NB may have locked it away with the children staying over (if so, a fatal move), or again was it moved by someone else prior to the murders, but would NB not have noticed if his shotgun had been moved esp. with the children saying over?