Author Topic: The Secret Land deal - relatives did not want anyone to find out about?  (Read 40315 times)

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Offline shonapugs

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Have you ever kissed a man with tits?

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The phone call. 'Terrified' father calls....doesn't call 999, gets phone book, calls witham, back to phone book, calls chelmsford, gets agitated, calls Julie, leaves house, gets overtaken by Police car. (Team JB now creeping time of call and introducing another call to get round some of the problems with this.)



Hi Vic,

Thank you for your reply. I shan't have time te reply to all of it this evening but I'll make a few points now.

As Jeremy has said, this was the 1980s when mental illness was still regarded as shameful, something to be hidden away and not discussed. Nevill and June clearly did not discuss the extent of Sheila's illness even with their extended family, or the extended family would not have had so little understanding of how very ill Sheila was. There may well have been an unspoken understanding in the Bamber family that, in the event of Sheila having one of her psychotic episodes, the local police, whom Nevill, a JP, was likely to know, should be called in. That would have allowed Nevill to manage the situation by getting Sheila into a private hospital, thereby avoiding involving social services and bypassing the gossip network in the village.

Regarding the call to JM. Jeremy would almost certainly have felt in conflict regarding what his response should be. Should he do what his father wanted him to do and go to WHF, or should he first call the police? My instinctive response would have been to ring my brother for support and advice and that may have been why Jeremy rang JM. In the event, however, as JM said in her statement, she was still half asleep when she answered.

Regarding the speed at which Jeremy drove to WHF, I've read here that he drove slowly because the police had instructed him to wait for them.


chochokeira

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Jeremy adamant father said "Sheila" has got THE gun, so completely rules out anyone else being involved. (Team JB have in the past said he may have misheard this, to introduce someone else)


This does not rule out the possiblity of Nevill being coerced into ringing Jeremy and told what he must say - either by Sheila or a third party/parties. That might also explain the odd circular burn marks on Nevill's neck.

Jackiepreece

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Shona I have never kissed a man with tits YET :P

Jackiepreece

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Choch do you think Vidvic is a film producer or a fake.  Lets take bets
I will go fake

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Oh Jack, I'm so fond of you, but you can be so harsh. Google him/her.

chochokeira

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Read the actual descriptions of what was done to the victims.....Arc of bullets into one of the twins heads, Nevill's injuries to his face, all done by Sheila? A woman whom Jeremy himself admitted to having never seen fire a gun as an adult. How many times did she load the magazine? You try doing it! It's bloody hard going! And by Sheila? Yeah right!



ngb1066 has explained that Sheila could have loaded bullets individually into the chamber and could have done so without any difficulty and very quickly.

andrea

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the police told jb to go to white house farm but not to approach the farmhouse.

chochokeira

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Choch do you think Vidvic is a film producer or a fake.  Lets take bets
I will go fake

You lot are drinking, aren't you? Lucky beggars, I've been working.

You know what my views are of ad hominem, it merely weakens our case if we resort to this. I will not get involved in it. Go for the arguments, not the person, Jackie.

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Hmmm. Apparently, the more you have to load that particular gun, the harder it gets. She really didn't show any signs of the loading, or residue.

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thats me told off then :'(

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I had to google ad hominem, choch, so now I understand it. And yes, some members on here have been imbibing. Disgraceful.


Hic.

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Jackie, as I have produced over 100 shows for Sky, I think you might have lost your bet. I said TV producer, not film producer.
rumor vagatus stulti et acceptantur a Idiotae

chochokeira

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Hmmm. Apparently, the more you have to load that particular gun, the harder it gets. She really didn't show any signs of the loading, or residue.


Shona, think back to those close up photographs of Sheila's hand: there were (oil?) marks and blood on Sheila's hand consistent with using a gun.

Now think back to what EP reported regarding the condition of Sheila's hands:
'spotlessly clean'.

What does that tell you about:

1. Your above remark

2. Essex Police's investigation of this case?


andrea

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Jackie, as I have produced over 100 shows for Sky, I think you might have lost your bet. I said TV producer, not film producer.




are you male vidvic?