What makes Bamber innocent?

[mike tesko]

Do they 'fess up, and let it be made known publicly that the forces armed response units have dropped one almighty bollock, or do they try to keep a lid upon it, hoping that if they handle the matter discreetly, given time,  that the matter can be swept under the carpet?

In all the circumstances of this case, they took the wrong option. They chose to cover up the mistakes, hoping the five deaths would be dealt with as 'four murders, and a suicide'...

They didn't count on the determination of the relatives...

[mike tesko]

In all the circumstances of this case, they took the wrong option. They chose to cover up the mistakes, hoping the five deaths would be dealt with as 'four murders, and a suicide'...

They didn't count on the determination of the relatives...

It wasn't J who fooled cops into taking this approach. Cops made that decision all by themselves...

If you remember, when the news was broken to J by cops, how J had accused cops of shooting dead all his family? Well, actually, they had shot Sheila, not once, but twice. Once downstairs in the kitchen, secondly upstairs in the bedroom. J"s gut instinct that he felt at the time the bad news was given to him, was closer to the truth, than the cop lies which have endured for over 30 years already...

It's now time to put things right...

The public must realize that 'we can't trust the cops to police us honestly'. Cops lie, cops fabricate, and will often pervert the course of justice...

[mike tesko]

The same gun did not fire both shots sustained by Sheila, that is a stonewall fact...

[John]

One day the lot of you will 'wake up' to the truth regarding what took place inside that farmhouse after cops went in at around 7.30am. The truth is shocking. The truth involves having to accept that 'cops have lied'. The truth is that Sheila was still alive. She got shot downstairs in the kitchen, but which G fired the first shot? Certainly not the rifle which was leaning at the bedroom window, since that did not get moved from its position at the window at any stage between 7.15 and 9.12am, so if Sheila's body was the female body reportedly found downstairs in the kitchen after the body of dad had already been reported as being dead, can somebody tell me how Sheila had been shot to enable cops in the kitchen to call her as being dead? Where did the G come from which fired that first shot across her throat? The true explanation, is a simple one. A bullet from a cop gun wounded her downstairs in the kitchen. It cannot have been the rifle at the upstairs bedroom window. It was a gun which belonged to a cop, for sure. That is why there is mention of a 'police officers report', relating to the shooting incident downstairs upon entry. That report contains the detail which proves categorically that Sheila did not initially get shot upstairs. She was 'not' shot twice in quick succession upstairs in the main bedroom. That is a dirty cop lie. How can both shots have been fired one after the other, in quick succession, with use of the same gun, with the rifle that 'did' fire the fatal bullet beneath the chin at the bedroom window, unmoved, untouched, until around 9.12am, when it was brought to Sheila's body after her body had been moved to the bedroom floor from the bed, as part of a 'training exercise', that went 'tragically' wrong?

What a load of bollocks...provide some evidence or give it up!   

[John]

The same gun did not fire both shots sustained by Sheila, that is a stonewall fact...

No its not, more rubbish. 

[David1819]

I don't think so.  We have most of the facts at our disposal. 

There are around 3.8 million pages of case documents Jeremy and his lawyers have access to. That does not include photos audio tapes and evidence still withheld.

A crude estimate of the amount the documents on this site I put at around 15,000

There isn't a single piece of exculpatory evidence in existence, says it all really doesn't it David?

Quite the opposite IMO, Not only does exculpatory exist, it outweighs the inculpatory evidence.

[mike tesko]

What a load of bollocks...provide some evidence or give it up!   

The evidence is there for all to see - gun at bedroom window by 7.15am, how did it end up on top of Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photography it there from 10 O'clock onwards? No other gun was found resting up against any of the upstairs windows, non was photographed at any other upstairs window, no rifle was ever seized or made an exhibit in the investigations, so the rifle in question which WPC Julia Jeapes said she saw, can only have been the anshuzt rifle. Facts like this cannot be ignored. Who moved the rifle from the bedroom window after 7.15am, onto Sheila's body?

It wasn't J, he could not have done that...

Sheila didn't do it either because she was mistakenly pronounced as being dead downstairs in the kitchen. Cops knew she had been shot downstairs when they stepped into the kitchen. The anshuzt rifle was still resting against the bedroom window upstairs at 'that' stage, so cops could hgardly have shot her using that rifle now could they?  So, work it out for yourself, they shot her with a cop gun downstairs, whilst the anshuzt rifle was still resting against the bedroom window upstairs. Nothing could be any clearer, the cop account about misidentifying dads body for a female is nothing but a red herrin', the mistake only applied to one dead body, not the two that were reported 'after' cops had entered the kitchen. If you don't know it, or if for some shady reason you choose to ignore the truth, I shall remind you by gleefully ramming the facts down your throat - cops reported a female body downstairs in the kitchen, after dads body had already been mentioned. Not once, but twice...

Get your facts right, before you open your gob...

[John]

There are around 3.8 million pages of case documents Jeremy and his lawyers have access to. That does not include photos audio tapes and evidence still withheld.

A crude estimate of the amount the documents on this site I put at around 15,000

Quite the opposite IMO, Not only does exculpatory exist, it outweighs the inculpatory evidence.

Prove it then, what is this exculpatory evidence?

[John]

The evidence is there for all to see - gun at bedroom window by 7.15am, how did it end up on top of Sheila's body in time for PC Bird to photography it there from 10 O'clock onwards? No other gun was found resting up against any of the upstairs windows, non was photographed at any other upstairs window, no rifle was ever seized or made an exhibit in the investigations, so the rifle in question which WPC Julia Jeapes said she saw, can only have been the anshuzt rifle. Facts like this cannot be ignored. Who moved the rifle from the bedroom window after 7.15am, onto Sheila's body?

It wasn't J, he could not have done that...

Sheila didn't do it either because she was mistakenly pronounced as being dead downstairs in the kitchen. Cops knew she had been shot downstairs when they stepped into the kitchen. The anshuzt rifle was still resting against the bedroom window upstairs at 'that' stage, so cops could hgardly have shot her using that rifle now could they?  So, work it out for yourself, they shot her with a cop gun downstairs, whilst the anshuzt rifle was still resting against the bedroom window upstairs. Nothing could be any clearer, the cop account about misidentifying dads body for a female is nothing but a red herrin', the mistake only applied to one dead body, not the two that were reported 'after' cops had entered the kitchen. If you don't know it, or if for some shady reason you choose to ignore the truth, I shall remind you by gleefully ramming the facts down your throat - cops reported a female body downstairs in the kitchen, after dads body had already been mentioned. Not once, but twice...

Get your facts right, before you open your gob...

That's not evidence of anything.  Jeeeze I give up.

[mike tesko]

That's not evidence of anything.  Jeeeze I give up.

Yes, it is evidence. You can't say its not evidence just because cops and CPS kept it back from the jury. If they hadn't kept it back, and the jury had heard about these things J would 'never' have been convicted...

[John]

Yes, it is evidence. You can't say its not evidence just because cops and CPS kept it back from the jury. If they hadn't kept it back, and the jury had heard about these things J would 'never' have been convicted...

All that represents is your own interpretation of events.

We all know the rifle was lifted and replaced on the body at least twice, so what!

We all know there was a mix up as to how many fatalities had been found initially, so what, shit happens!

I repeat...in over thirty years nobody has ever produce a single piece of evidence which can back up Jeremy Bamber's story.

[Neil]

You can't have, the evidence in the public domain is just the tip of the iceberg.

Have you seen the rest of it then?

[David1819]

Prove it then, what is this exculpatory evidence?

I've discussed it on this forum and the red forum multiple times, its there for anyone to read.

There are several things I don't mention because I have agreed not to 

[David1819]

Have you seen the rest of it then?

No, I don't think its possible for one person go over that much info IMO. were would you begin? 

[John]

No, I don't think its possible for one person go over that much info IMO. were would you begin? 

Most of it is simply material relating to Jeremy's complaints after the trial and the various Inquiry's which took place into police conduct.  The evidence is a different matter and that was before the jury.  This constant reference to hidden material which will free Bamber is just a smokescreen.