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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #345 on: May 03, 2016, 12:34:PM »
Along comes Julie Mugford to carry out the formal identification of Sheila's body at Chelmsford hospital mortuary. Once she returned to J's cottage after formally identifying Sheila, and using the index finger of her right hand, which she pointed to her throat (when asked how many shots had Sheila died from?) indicating just one shot...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #346 on: May 03, 2016, 12:37:PM »
At the opening of the inquests into these five deaths, 'Bob' Miller, informed the  Deputy Coroner, that cops were satisfied that Sheila Caffell had shot and killed the other four victims, and that she had then gone on to take her own life by way of a solitary shot under the chin...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #347 on: May 03, 2016, 12:39:PM »
At the opening of the inquests into these five deaths, 'Bob' Miller, informed the  Deputy Coroner, that cops were satisfied that Sheila Caffell had shot and killed the other four victims, and that she had then gone on to take her own life by way of a solitary shot under the chin...

Things were looking up for the cops. The sooner they got the case through the coroners court system the better. They could control things better in the Coroners court system, than through the Criminal court system...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #348 on: May 03, 2016, 12:42:PM »
But, cops had not bargained for the intervention of PC 'Bobby' Carr, a metropolitan police officer. Son of the former manager of Osea Road Camp site. Friend of the relatives. Someone who had personal knowledge of the victims, and of course Jeremy, himself...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #349 on: May 03, 2016, 12:47:PM »
But, cops had not bargained for the intervention of PC 'Bobby' Carr, a metropolitan police officer. Son of the former manager of Osea Road Camp site. Friend of the relatives. Someone who had personal knowledge of the victims, and of course Jeremy, himself...

Relatives, and cops, have for over 30 years kept a dark secret about the role played by 'Bobby' Carr in the introduction of the silencer evidence. What no-one outside these circles knows is that on the 10th August 1985, 'Bobby' Carr was present at the farmhouse, when David Boutflour took possession of one of the two silencers still present there. Also, that he attended the farmhouse on the previous day with soco and that it was he who took the two paint samples marked 'RC/1', because he found out that some similar paint had been found on the end of a guns barrel (these two paint samples, RC/1 and RC/2, were not to be mistaken with the other two paint samples (RWC/1 and RWC/2) that were taken by 'Ron' Cook)...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #350 on: May 03, 2016, 12:54:PM »
In my possession, I have seen a 'handwritten note' where one of the relatives refers to the presence of 'Bobby' at the scene on Saturday 10th August, 1985...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #351 on: May 03, 2016, 01:00:PM »
What becomes clear to me, is that the cop investigation being conducted by Essex, was being hampered by the role in which 'Bobby' Carr was taking in the same investigation. From a very early stage PC 'Bobby' Carr got involved at the crime scene from as early as the 8th August 1985. More worryingly, although relatives and cops alike all knew this, almost all of them refused to acknowledge this fact to the extent with which a family 'insider' may have influenced the Essex police investigation - particularly with the introduction of the paint contaminated silencer later on...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #352 on: May 03, 2016, 01:10:PM »
What becomes clear to me, is that the cop investigation being conducted by Essex, was being hampered by the role in which 'Bobby' Carr was taking in the same investigation. From a very early stage PC 'Bobby' Carr got involved at the crime scene from as early as the 8th August 1985. More worryingly, although relatives and cops alike all knew this, almost all of them refused to acknowledge this fact to the extent with which a family 'insider' may have influenced the Essex police investigation - particularly with the introduction of the paint contaminated silencer later on...

It is also very concerning, to note that according to notes hand written by Ann Eaton, she states that on the evening of the 9th August 1985, when cops gave the keys of whf back to the relatives, that once this had been done, that her husband, 'Peter' had 'put the gun, back' inside the farmhouse? This has always been a very puzzling fact. Since, what is meant by the reference to 'the gun'? Was it a gun? Was it a shotgun? Was it a rifle? Was it a silencer? Was it the metal end cap from the end of a rifles barrel?

Did it have anything at all to do with the fact, that 'Bobby' Carr had taken two paint samples, (RC/1 and RC/2) at the scene on either the 8th or 9 the August, 1985?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #353 on: May 03, 2016, 01:13:PM »
It is also very concerning, to note that according to notes hand written by Ann Eaton, she states that on the evening of the 9th August 1985, when cops gave the keys of whf back to the relatives, that once this had been done, that her husband, 'Peter' had 'put the gun, back' inside the farmhouse? This has always been a very puzzling fact. Since, what is meant by the reference to 'the gun'? Was it a gun? Was it a shotgun? Was it a rifle? Was it a silencer? Was it the metal end cap from the end of a rifles barrel?

Did it have anything at all to do with the fact, that 'Bobby' Carr had taken two paint samples, (RC/1 and RC/2) at the scene on either the 8th or 9 the August, 1985?

Did these two separate events, one involving PC 'Robert' Carr, and the other involving 'Peter' Eaton, have anything at all to do with the 'guns barrel' having had some paint upon it, to which DS Davidson refers in his COLP interviews?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #354 on: May 03, 2016, 01:17:PM »
Why would PC Robert Carr take two paint samples and hand them to DS Davidson at the scene? I know in his COLP interview that Davidson claimed that 'Ron' Cook had given him both of these (RC/1 and RC/2), but he was obviously lying, and may have felt 'good reason' to lie so as not to expose the involvement of a family 'insider' in the police investigation at such a critical early stage...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #355 on: May 03, 2016, 01:20:PM »
Why, would 'Peter' Eaton be putting a gun back into the farmhouse after police had completed their examination of the crime scene by the evening of 9th August 1985?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #356 on: May 03, 2016, 01:23:PM »
More disturbingly, despite DS Davidson confirming that some paint had been found on the end of a guns barrel (not the silencer), and that that was the reason why those two paint samples (RC/1 and RC/2) had to be taken, yet the identitity of 'that' gun has never yet been formally identified...

Why not?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #357 on: May 03, 2016, 02:18:PM »
There is 'no forensic evidence' which proves J's involvement in any of these killings...

Of course there is and lots of it too.   You are simply deluding yourself if you believe otherwise.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #358 on: May 03, 2016, 02:19:PM »
The police surgeon, Dr Craig, would state she had what appeared to be a solitary bullet wound to her neck at the time (8.44am) he formally pronounced her as being dead. Accompanying him at that time, was PI 'Bob' Miller, he too would report that Sheila only had a single bullet wound at the time her death was pronounced (8.44am)  by Dr Craig. They both could legitimately say this, because at that stage, there was only the one shot to her throat, not two...

That's completely absurd and illogical.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #359 on: May 03, 2016, 02:22:PM »
What becomes clear to me, is that the cop investigation being conducted by Essex, was being hampered by the role in which 'Bobby' Carr was taking in the same investigation. From a very early stage PC 'Bobby' Carr got involved at the crime scene from as early as the 8th August 1985. More worryingly, although relatives and cops alike all knew this, almost all of them refused to acknowledge this fact to the extent with which a family 'insider' may have influenced the Essex police investigation - particularly with the introduction of the paint contaminated silencer later on...

All simply speculation.